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Nvidia versus ATI at the high end

By The Inquirer
16:09 Apr 6, 2010 | 8 Comments
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Nvidia versus ATI at the high end

Analysis: The real game is yet to begin.

Nvidia's long awaited next generation DX11 parts have surfaced. The Fermi-based GeForce GTX480 - this one is still a bit rare, though - and GTX470 are out to compete against the incumbent single-GPU performance leaders, the AMD ATI Radeon HD5870 and HD5850. You've seen the avalanche of benchmarks all around the web, and most of them show these latest Nvidia powered graphics cards taking the lead, although not by much usually.

The wider memory buses - 384 bits wide on the GTX480 and 320 bits on the GTX470, compared to 256 bits on the ATI parts - help in attaining higher memory performance, as well as more bandwidth for the computational tasks in which Nvidia's GPGPU chips are expected to excel.

Now really, how important are these results in this current round of benchmark leapfrogging? Let's see.

First, ATI is expected to have sped up parts on both single and dual GPU fronts. Let's tentatively call them the HD5890 and HD5990, although the final names may differ. Count on anything from a 10 per cent average speedup on the single GPU part, resulting mostly from the 850MHz to 950MHz GPU clock jump, to more than 15 per cent on the dual GPU card, thanks to resolving power and cooling issues there.

Second, many vendors like Asus, Gigabyte, Sapphire and XFX might offer pre-overclocked cards with the existing HD5870 and HD5970 that attain these clock speeds by default anyway. Couple that with Eyefinity-enabled versions supporting 2GB video memory per GPU for that extra oomph in games and benchmarks and the updated cards should even out the battle with Nvidia on the single-GPU front.

On the dual-GPU front, a possible GeForce GTX490 consisting of two GTX470-class GPUs joined together, is still far away, probably awaiting another tuned, lower power GPU stepping. In the meantime, the HD5970 and its expected higher-clocked successor would rule the roost among the dual GPU cards.

Talking about another GPU stepping from Nvidia, there's another reason to look for a useful update there by Computex time two months from now. Wafer yields didn't allow Nvidia to enable all 512 shader cores on the GTX480, forcing it to limit the GTX480 to only 480 shaders. A yield or stepping improvement might allow Nvidia to release an 'updated' card, call it GTX485 for instance, having all 512 cores turned on. However, whether or not that will be possible for Nvidia is still a very big 'if' at the moment. Such a card could also have a 3GB large memory option.

In the meantime, if there are useful yields of chips with all 512 cores, you'll be most likely to see them in the most expensive OpenGL professional 3-D cards for workstations and visualisation clusters. A Quadro FX5900 6GB card comes to mind, expected sometime in April.

So, in summary, the performance match between Nvidia and ATI at the high end will see another round later this spring, with - we can hope - an interesting and competitive speed-wise benchmark battle between the two graphics rivals' updated chippery. If that happens it should help push prices down a bit, too. Therefore the current bunch of comparisons you see will most likely be very short lived. That won't dissuade the hard core enthusiasts from getting their own 'newest and fastest' card first, but at the very least, I'd personally hold off for the updated GPUs, come about May or so.

Another competitive aspect that's often overlooked is that, looking back at the CUDA and OpenCL experience and the associated programming difficulties, Nvidia made a major step forward with these Fermi GPU parts. You can program them directly in C or Fortran, rather than having to use obscure special approaches. I'm not sure yet how efficient all of that will be, but, for now, being able to tap nearly a TeraFLOPS of double-precision IEEE standard - that is, usable for most applications - floating-point power in a much easier way can mean a lot, such that many more PC programs will be able to take advantage of the new performance resource. Now, even Excel spreadsheets can easily be GPU-accelerated.

On the other hand, Nvidia could have kept a 512-bit wide memory bus for this purpose, simply to allow for more onboard GPU memory, up to 8GB on Quadro or Tesla and 4GB on the GeForce cards. The problem with GPU computing is that it can be very very fast, as long as the code and data sit in the local GPU RAM. Once it goes across the PCIe lanes to access the main memory, the performance penalty can be over an order of magnitude, negating the need for GPU acceleration. The previous GeForce and Quadro generation had this advantage due to its wide buses. This problem will remain until the GPUs link directly to CPUs via QPI or HyperTransport rather than over slow PCIe links with high latency.

At that point, assuming a compatible memory mapping and management structure with the system CPU, the GPU can, through direct inline C++ and Fortran coding, become a co-processor to the CPUs, just like the old x87 from Intel was to the x86 before floating-point was integrated into every processor. ATI, as part of AMD, will have an advantage there as it will have AMD's Hypertransport access by default, but the problem then will be that it will limit ATI to a small market share.

Nevertheless, we will be bringing you our own tests of the new graphics cards as they come along, hopefully including the customised higher-performance versions of the GTX480 and GTX470. Gainward and EVGA are two vendors to look at here in the Nvidia space, besides the usual Asus and Gigabyte. At the very least, the graphics card competition has turned interesting again.

 

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8 Comments
RaRaDawg
Apr 6, 2010 4:52 PM
I want ATi to make a 5890 so they can win the single GPU crown... but if there supposedly is a GTX 485 and all 512 pipelines are enabled, then that will be trouble.
I mean, ATi have grown quite fast in the past few years, me being an ex-Nvidia Fanboy can see how much ATi have worked to try to be at the top. I somewhat feel that Nvidia have been slacking off for a while... Renaming of cards/taking away PhysX if you have an ATi card (unless you have an old driver)/producing power hungry cards, etc.
nukejockey
Apr 6, 2010 5:37 PM
seems to me that ATI dont want to be the performance kings if their cards are going to cost an arm and a leg, they've always gone for price over performance and its been working for them. Their 4xxx series was a monumental success, they were beaten soundly by nvidia, but people still continued to buy the 4850/70s because of the price and performance. You just have to look at how much the prices of the 4870 came down before the 5800s came out compared to nvidias gtx260/285 etc.

It just goes to show that they dont need to have the fastest card to sell well.
Tezlin
Apr 6, 2010 5:38 PM
Raradawg, does this mean the GTX485 will be coming in at 100C plus, heat-wise? :D
CK
Apr 6, 2010 7:07 PM
They could sell them with an Nvidia branded coffee mug that just sits on top of the card. Slogan.."Nvidia, the way it's meant be hot"
index680i
Apr 6, 2010 7:34 PM
GTX 480 is the new BBQ 6 plate cooker.
RaRaDawg
Apr 6, 2010 7:53 PM
I totally agree with you Nuke. Some of them went close to like $150-$160, although you can look at it this way that they were trying to get rid of their stock, although that's counter-argueable as they still are selling some lower end 4XXX series cards.
@ Tezlin, it sure does. :D Perhaps someone should buy one and boil some eggs over it. :P
well, I guess it depends. On GPUReview, they showed some GTX 480s with an impressive overclock. To be honest, I've unlocked some pipelines a few times and the temperature increase isn't a great deal. I mean Nvidia can just go mental and make one. You would have remembered the 216 Shader GTX 260? Somehow that drew less power than the normal 192 version. If Nvidia keep a crazy heatsink and increase their shaders, they still might have a chance to eat around. I know temps is a crazy factor, but they can make an awesome reference cooler.
index680i
Apr 8, 2010 4:26 PM
I can say just from trying out the 5870 graphics card. I think Nvidia have seriously lost the plot with their new GPU thus if they intend people to use it for gaming, as well as used for 3D, CG ect what ever.

I personally think ATI have the higher in the market, just look at how well the 5800 series are, DX11, GDDR5 and no real huge power requirements let alone sufficient cooling. I seriously think Nvidia has lost.

If you look at the price on paper, ATI preforms better. Now i have a question for some of you who may be thinking that the GTX480 is the uber elite.

*If the GTX480 preforms no better than a 5870 or just marginally better. Why pay $800 for a graphics card that requires 300W and has a serious heating condition and I might add that it would not help overclocking enthusiasts. Why pay $800 when you could be paying for a 5870? That might as well preform better if overclocked?

Until Nvidia pull their heads in, it is ATI for now.
Athlonite
May 18, 2010 6:11 PM
hmmm i think there's a serious flaw in the way GPU maker nVidia thinks that a video card drawing 300+ watts of power is alright to me thats just ridiculous not only do they idle with high temps but they absolutely cook when pushed maybe thats why i bought ATI
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