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Radeon 6970 pricing not what it seems

By David Hollingworth
12:33 Dec 16, 2010 | 21 Comments
Tags: Radeon | 6970 | pricing | video | card | investigation
Radeon 6970 pricing not what it seems

AMD says one thing, retailers say another. So who's pricing is correct, and when will reality match RRP?

So yesterday was the official launch of AMD's new 6970 and 6950 Radeon video cards. So far, our testing is showing this to be a spiffy little addition to the Radeon family, and at AMD's RRP of $419 locally, a damn good price/performance choice.

But, for now at least, no one's actually selling the card at AMD's recommended retail. The card's been seen listed for everything from $499 to over $600... So is this a giant ripoff, or is AMD telling porkies?

Well... to be honest it's rather more complicated.

From the horse's mouth
AMD's adamant that their pricing is not only correct, but will be seen at retail before too long. Our question, though, is how this initial price confusion has even come about?

So we asked our man at AMD, the Technical Manager for the ANZ region, Garrath Johnson. "There have been some adjustments in price over the last few days," he told us, "which may have taken some time to filter down but you should see prices settle quickly." There are apparently plenty of cards on the market, according to AMD, so it's certainly not a case of rarity of product driving up prices.

"To me it looks like a couple of companies have decided to risk selling before the embargo time and are charging a substantial premium," he commented. So does he expect those prices to drop?

"I have heard of prices that are sub $500 now," Garrath responded. "Given it has only been half a day since the launch I don't think it will be too long before we see prices approaching the RRP." Of course, what does that mean to the consumer, and what does this ‘price movement' mean for those retailers who have already purchased stock? Even we expected the card to cost much more, based on initial reports from AMD.

"I believe that is being handled via a rebate to the distributors," Garrath told us. "I guess it is up to them how they pass it on."

What the retailers say
When we announced the pricing yesterday, we were contacted by one of the folks at AusPCMarket. They're currently selling 6970s from GIGABYTE, HIS and Sapphire for $572-599 - that's a minimum $150 over the stated RRP.

But Michael Vorstermans, from AusPC, was quick to point out that they're not exactly operating on a huge margin here - the wholesale price they're purchasing cards at is itself above AMD's RRP, and that's before GST or any notion of profit is factored in. Their price, we've discovered, is around $470, ex GST.

"I'd love to talk to your guys at AMD," he told us, "because the pricing they're claiming is not being reflected at any level of the purchasing process." And, if we had to guess, those rebates Garrath mentioned are likely to only be spottily passed on at best, or at the very least only slowly and as retailers request them - quite possibly after reading this article!

All of which leaves consumers in an interesting position. There are few other industries where pricing is so complex, and if you want to be the first on your block with the latest tech, it does look as though that's going to cost you. Even if a card's price does drop - and as we've been typing this we've been seeing lower prices on sites like PC Case Gear - it doesn't help anyone who's bought the card on release date.

So who's to blame?
Well, that's a bloody good question.

It would seem easy to look at AMD's price changes as the root of the issue, but that doesn't take into account the fact that the chain that sees the card go from manufacturer to your gaming rig is a complex one.

Similarly, we certainly don't think the retailers are at fault. In our chats with Garrath the matter of broken retail embargoes, and subsequently inflated prices, did come up, but that doesn't seem the culprit either. Regardless of when they're selling the card, retailers like AusPCMarket are only working with the wholesale prices they've been given.

Which leaves a finger to be pointed at the distributors, but that's a famously nebulous space. The scale these companies tend to operate at is rather large, and being able to nimbly keep up with last minute price changes is a tall order.

Even more challenging is where it leaves us, the reviewer - at an RRP of $420, the 6970 is a damn fine card, but at the prices it's being reported at by some retailers, it's a far less attractive option. As we speak the card's being reviewed, so what kind of scoring can we give it for Value, or Overall quality? And how valid will that score be by the time of print?

I guess we'll have to wait and see just how far the prices fall, and for now that's our best advice to you, too. It's kind of unfair on retailers caught up in these pricing shenanigans, and given this is a good product from AMD we don't like effectively saying don't buy it yet. But at the same time, we don't want to see our readers pay more than they have to for their tech.

Unless you really need that shiny new stuff, that is.

 
 
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21 Comments
DiStOrTeD
Dec 16, 2010 1:04 PM
My head hurts. That being said if I were Michael I'd be very upset with my supplier.
Not only is it in the consumers best interest to get the card when the price drops but it is also in his best interest to offer the card to consumers at a competitive price.

The poor guy doesn't even have a chance to do that thanks to this bungle.

Its all well and good to say its a tall order to keep up with prices changes, but business is business. Someone needs to be held accountable.

Businesses are having their names tarnished by someones mistake.
philo-sofa
Dec 16, 2010 1:19 PM
If I lived in Australia I'd be getting a GTX 570 for the money I spent on an HD 6950. At least it seems Aussies eventually get their pricing issues sorted. In the meantime all I have to say to kiwi middlemen/shops is.... liable to get me banned.

Rip-off merchant cnuts :P

jdog
Dec 16, 2010 1:40 PM
if you can wait till after xmas,hopefully it will be priced a rrp by then....i wish...
Meowkitty
Dec 16, 2010 2:20 PM
so, can we go to the ACCC or department of fair trade?

because it looks like some one is telling porkies before the RRP is released.

"I believe that is being handled via a rebate to the distributors," Garrath told us. "I guess it is up to them how they pass it on."

so, the pre release RRP was higher?can I infer that from Garrath? are we justified in slagging of the distributors?

and why is this said to be so complex. perhaps a story on distribution and stock management in the computer industry might help.
Hawkeye
Dec 16, 2010 2:30 PM
AMD reported one RRP earlier in the week, pre-embargo, then changed that on release day. As to what disties are charging, some of them don't even seem to know about the change, as far as we can tell. They're waiting on confirmation from AMD, I'm hearing.

So I wouldn't slag the disties :)

As to complexity... it's in part because different distributors have different ways of moving stock to retailers. It's different case-by-case.

So far as I can tell, everyone involved is claiming to be in the right, which can't possibly be correct. Where the real issue is we're still trying to dig up. We could well post another update tomorrow :)
Meowkitty
Dec 16, 2010 4:13 PM
Sweet, TY,TYVM.
Zer0th
Dec 16, 2010 4:29 PM
Why do I think that if this was nVidia everyone would be screaming now....
Pandemonium
Dec 16, 2010 4:57 PM
I've always been under the impression you paid more for latest tech anyway, regardless of RRP. Hasn't it always been this way?
Hawkeye
Dec 16, 2010 5:03 PM
Technically, it shouldn't be, but often it's a seller's market.
qwakqwak
Dec 16, 2010 5:37 PM
advised price and landed price diference
Hawkeye
Dec 16, 2010 5:42 PM
Not according to AMD, qwak - they really are adamant that $420 is what consumers should be paying.
gmj
Dec 16, 2010 6:05 PM
420 is the lowest price you could expect to see, up to 450 seems reasonable depending on brand etc. $500-600 is not where it should be.
Devilsmurf
Dec 17, 2010 9:50 AM
Buy from overseas ? I would have thought that in this day and age especially amongst savvy computer users that local retail outlets are certainly not your only option.
Michaelv
Dec 17, 2010 2:55 PM
2 days on from the launch, and not a single importer has wholesale pricing below the mythical RRP that was announced here....any cards we're selling now are below our cost already.

AMD needs to do something to fix this. Even if the RRP was $449 inc, it's still below cost - at RRP of $499inc, a retailer would make $5 or so before any expenses.

Michael
www.auspc.com.au
Meowkitty
Dec 17, 2010 5:49 PM
I sense a lot of anger...
Periander
Dec 17, 2010 8:57 PM
Usually I check Umart or PCCaseGear, although I can see that auspc has the cheapest I could find; a Sapphire 6970 at $478.50.

Acintai
Dec 18, 2010 12:41 PM
Yeah more stores are starting to follow, staticice shows saphire 6970 at $460. Does this mean that the real RRP is more likely $420?
shiney_face
Dec 18, 2010 2:45 PM
Michael, I could buy these from newegg for $370, spend $30 on postage and make $49 profit selling them for $449 (yes, I'm aware newegg dont post directly to Australia).
Mate, a retailer coming on here and crying that they make no money blaming everyone but themselves is pretty pathetic. It's not the buyers problem that you cant manage your supply channels.
DiStOrTeD
Dec 19, 2010 8:40 PM
From what I've read thats far from whats happened. Seems to me like the situation was out of his control.

AMD changed RRP at the last minute, Distributors didn't keep an eye on prices and then the retail gets stuck with units that are over priced.

What do you want Michael to do? Sell them bellow cost?
I guess thats one way to send a business down the gurgler.
Michaelv
Dec 20, 2010 1:45 PM
We're already selling whatever stock we had below cost. Now I've got no 6970 and don't plan on carrying any at all until this mess is sorted.

As for Newegg, one local importer showed me his invoice from the Sapphire factory - his USD cost was higher than Newegg's retail price, so only AMD, who ultimately control pricing, is to blame for this mess.
saint7
Dec 20, 2010 7:45 PM
Then factor in Aussie dollar vs American you would expect
closer pricing to the American same card!! right, RIGHT?
i don't know but i'm interested. Still i suspect some good deals for ones like me who are usually a gen behind, now to convince my financier (wife) of this.
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