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LA Noire - proof our ratings system is broken

By David Hollingworth
13:35 May 23, 2011 | 15 Comments
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LA Noire - proof our ratings system is broken

We've been playing a lot of LA Noire, and it's good... but it's level of violent detail and challenging social mores deserve more than an MA15 rating.

 

We’re finding LA Noire to be a very... challenging game.

There are many reasons for this, and despite a range of misgivings, we’re nonetheless looking forward to our next sit-down with this sprawling crime epic. However, the game’s focus on violent crime and seedy goings on proves one thing without a doubt.

Our ratings system really needs an R18+ classification, and LA Noire should get that rating.

We’re not calling for the game to be banned, of course. We’d be gutting to see Team Bondi’s excellent effort refused classification in its country of birth. But there’s no doubting that the game is intensely mature, both in its depiction and exploration of violence, and in the attitudes and casual foibles of many of its characters.

Case details
One of the key features of the game is the investigation of various crime scenes. Not only are you called upon to examine clues and evidence such as discarded jewellery or matchbooks, but you’ll also need to look closely at the victims of what are often very violent crimes.

In particular, many of homicide cases feature naked female corpses, beaten or strangled to death. Kneeling over these victims – digital, to be sure, but rendered in incredible detail, down to pubic hair and life-like wounds – you must focus on injuries, signs of violence like rings torn from now broken fingers, and even evidence of sexual transgressions. The coroner will often then deliver a report on the presence or lack thereof of semen in the victim’s orifices.

It’s detailed, gruesome stuff.

Sure, the average episode of CSI or any other procedural drama features much the same, but we’ve often heard the Australian Classification Board talk about how watching an act is one thing, but interacting with it is far more impactful. That was the Board’s argument with the drug-taking in Fallout 3, for instance.

We’d be inclined to agree with regards to LA Noire, as well. You may not be the one participating in the violence, but your role in investigating it is nonetheless harrowing. Slapping an MA15 rating on the game obfuscates the true nature of some of the game’s content.

Sexual politics
It’s bad enough that women in LA Noire are relegated to the roll of either victim or conniving criminal (though it can argued that that’s ‘merely’ a noir trope), but added to that are some remarkably poor attitudes.

We do get that this game’s aiming to be as much a historical document and interactive drama as a game, and we don’t fault that, but again, a working ratings system should be able to address that. Two characters in particular come to mind, and you end up partnering with them both. Rusty Galloway’s a lawman of the old school, prone to drinking on the job and possessed of the belief that if a woman talks back... she deserves what’s coming to her. Roy Earle is your partner when you transfer onto the vice desk, and an early encounter with him depicts a cruel streak when he backhands a torch singer at an LA nightclub.

The game’s protagonist Detective Phelps, barely bats an eyelid.

The deep-set misogyny and casual violence against women in the game is difficult to take at times. It’s a product of the period, to be sure, but making Phelps a silent witness is problematic. That said, challenge is good, and good media should challenge the consumer – but is it a challenge we want to be putting before 15 year old gamers? And, let’s be honest – when was the last time you saw anyone stopped from buying a game because they were too young anyway? There’s every chance that far younger gamers are being exposed to this very adult game, thanks to either lax sales practices or inattentive parents.

And we feel that’s a very serious issue.

Rate, don’t ban
It’s worth re-iterating: we’re glad to see gaming reach this level of maturity. LA Noire may make some mis-steps, but gaming is richer for the effort Team Bondi and RockStar’s gone to to make this game what it is. This isn’t like playing a game; it’s like being inside a James Ellroy novel, and we salute Team Bondi’s dedication to an Ellroy-like sense of seedy despair and gritty noir.

However, much like you don’t want a child reading Ellroy’s depictions of sleaze and the worst of human behaviour, you really don’t want one actually taking part in that kind of world. A working classification system would be able to manage that, or at least provide proper guidelines for store employees and parents.

But, sadly, we don’t have a working classification system. Even RockStar’s own LA Noire site features an age-gate that won’t let anyone under 18 into the site... it seems even the game’s publisher gets it.

 
 
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15 Comments
codecreeper
May 23, 2011 2:22 PM
Maybe this could be an experiment by the government to see what type of reaction would come from this game. With the R18+ on the agenda is could be used to see if this game needs that rating.
Krispy89
May 23, 2011 2:33 PM
Just wait until the new Carmageddon comes back to life. That'll create a field day for those bloody Christian activists...
Twents
May 23, 2011 3:35 PM
LOLOLOL age gate,
do they expect people to put in their real date of birth?
Hawkeye
May 23, 2011 3:41 PM
Well, yeah, age gates are certainly not foolproof, but it's a fascinating indicator :)
hectorbustnuts
May 23, 2011 4:41 PM

This reduction of women to "second-class citizens" is far from a new avenue for Rockstar in their games, though, from beating prostitutes in GTA games (which I believe WAS edited out to gain a MA15+ here), to the rounding-up of women to rape in "Red Dead Redemption". Sure, you're not active in this, merely an observer, but still.

Could you slap a chauvinist label on Rockstar developers, given this continual belittling of females in their games? Perhaps. Are they likely to change this stance in their next game? Unlikely given the bazillion dollars they rake in.

*end ramble*

m_a_g_e
May 23, 2011 5:32 PM
@Krispy89
Most Christians I know are all for an 18+ rating, myself included. Much like any issue, the vocal minority spouting extremism are the ones who get press coverage as so the public think they represent the majority. I had over a thousand signatures from my church in favour of an R18+ category when the submission was open.
Gharphield
May 24, 2011 8:52 AM
You know I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Dead Space 2. Amazing isn't it?
Physt
May 24, 2011 2:58 PM
***And, let’s be honest – when was the last time you saw anyone stopped from buying a game because they were too young anyway?***

Heh, last time I saw this happen it was a kid (looked about 10-11yo) trying to buy Doom3 at a retail games store. He was with his mum and the checkout dude was about to process the sale when I asked the mother if she realised the game had a dark horror theme complete with a lot of violence and gore.

I chatted to the mum for a short while and she was most grateful. I got death glares from the kid which was quite amusing.




***There’s every chance that far younger gamers are being exposed to this very adult game, thanks to either lax sales practices or inattentive parents.***

You're probably right David, but I can't see how an R18+ rating is going to fix that. Is there any evidence that in countries where there is an equivalent rating for R18+ games that underage kids aren't playing them? I'm genuinely curious about that.

I have the distinct impression that this argument is simply being used by the gaming lobby groups to secure the rating however once it is secured, the lobby groups will declare mission accomplished and the inconvenience of kids playing inapproriate games will be forgotten.

Lax sales practices and inattentive parents will still be issues if we obtain an R18+ rating, except that now the games are a bit easier to obtain.
Hawkeye
May 24, 2011 3:22 PM
R18 is just part of the picture - educating store owners, parents and even gamers is another part.

But, in my experience, the R-rating does work wonders in terms of films. It's far more visible than M or MA, and folks pay it more attention.

But physt, do you really think that R18 would make getting games like this easier? That doesn't seem to make sense - I mean, a fifteen year old can legally get LA Noire now...
Physt
May 24, 2011 10:37 PM
Yeah, I know the rating itself is just part of the picture. I merely suspect that once the rating has been achieved, the lobby groups will fade away and the enthusiasm to educate the masses will fade with it. I hope I'm wrong... but it's a gut feeling I have based on long observations of human nature.

I hope you're right about the R rating working wonders in terms of its visibility. I am certainly not one to call you a liar so if that is your experience then I am encouraged.

My comment about the games being easier to obtain is based on a simple fact. If an R rating is achieved, there will be R rated games on the shelves of retail stores. This is in addition to the ways in which kids currently get hold of them. To my mind, if there are more opportunities to obtain the game, it stands to reason that more kids will get hold of it.
vestige
May 25, 2011 11:07 AM
With respect, David seems to contradict himself a little bit, where he acknowledges that the MA15 classification fails to prevent underage children getting their hands on the games, but then assumes that the R18 rating will be different.

Don't get me wrong, I am in support of the R rating.

Also, for people talking about Rockstar being chauvinistic... it's less a matter of belittling and more a matter of historical accuracy to be honest. They aren't inventing this sort of treatment. It's written into the history of the world we live in.
Hawkeye
May 25, 2011 12:17 PM
But to there are, physt - to my mind at least - technically R-rated games available now, if you take the position that games like Dead Space 2 and LA Noire deserve that rating.
Hawkeye
May 25, 2011 12:39 PM
I don't assume it'll be different, but rather that we need the R18 rating AND good parental education. Ratings alone don't change anything :)
hectorbustnuts
May 25, 2011 12:41 PM
"Also, for people talking about Rockstar being chauvinistic... it's less a matter of belittling and more a matter of historical accuracy to be honest. They aren't inventing this sort of treatment. It's written into the history of the world we live in."

It is historical, as it is current. The rounding up of women by oppressive forces for forced sex continues to this day unchecked in Africa(amongst other places), and domestic violence is unbelievably STILL a problem globally.

Coming back around to the R18+ angle, the frankly sexist attitudes that Rockstar imbue their characters with are more suitable for an adult intelligence(it's assumed), where they can better see past the face value of what's said and done on screen.

Yes, kids under 18 will likely still be able to get hold of an R18+ game, just as kids under 15 can get their hands on MA15+ games (as they can porn and cigarettes), but by putting an R18+ label on a game, it explicitly shows that the game believed to be unsuitable for people younger than 18.

By NOT having an R18+ rating, the best we can say is "this game is unsuitable for people under 15"...and the content presented in "LA Noire" (and in my mind other Rockstar games) is certainly NOT suitable for kids aged 15-17.
fiona patten
May 25, 2011 7:31 PM
When I was in Paris (okay I really wanted to write that) LA Noire was being promoted hugely - billboards everywhere with an R rating. I get to Australia and see posters everywhere but here is is rated MA suitable for teenagers.
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