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More NVIDIA renaming blues

By The Inquirer
10:29 Mar 3, 2009 | 4 Comments
Tags: nvidia | 8800gt | 9800gt | g200 | gt100m
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More NVIDIA renaming blues

Slide 10 moves off into the realm of 'I can't believe they are this dumb', but look out for Web sites that tout this one. They actually have the temerity to compare 'efficiency' per core, saying that ATI with 800 cores is somehow less efficient that Nvidia with 128. The actual comparison they use is 800 air rifles to 128 Uzis, and then laughably claim this means they are 8x more efficient.

I keep saying that Nvidia PR couldn't find their way out of a paper bag with a flashlight, map, guide dog and GPS unit, but up until this point, I did credit them with basic math skills. 800 divided by 128 is 6.25, it doesn't even round to 7. Come on guys, there is a calculator included in Windows, it is under accessories somewhere, but since I am typing this on Ubuntu, it is under Applications ->Accessories, top program. Try it, you just might learn something.

Then again, with the 800 air rifles to 128 Uzis crack, one has to wonder does Intel have four Howitzers with the Core i7? That must kick Nvidia's butt, 32 times more efficient, and it doesn't even die in the field for reasons they won't tell you about. If you check these numbers, you will see that I am not joking, the i7 ties the much faster GT260, and uses far less power.

Nvidia proudly manages to score an own goal in a public way. Brilliant. Talk about battles of wits with unarmed opponents. *SIGH*. This one left me speechless. At least this time they claim it is on the same hardware which more or less proves in their own words that they cooked the previous three or four graphs.

Slide 11 is rather incomprehensible, but seems to be an attack on GDDR5. It is entitled 'Lessons on Memory Bandwidth' with a subtitle of 'Performance requires balance between Memory interface and GPU engine', and they show an I Love Lucy clip to prove the point, but it makes no sense. At least they used a good clip, so they are capable of humour, but it could be a coincidence. I will take this as progress.

Slide 12 is again a bit of a head-scratcher. It is supposed to show that 'Physx and Cuda' somehow make things better, and there are a lot more programs in 1H/2009 than there were in all of 2008. In 2008, they show four programs, with 14 added in 1H/2009, and yet unspecified 'more' in 2H/2009, quite the upward trend if you don't look too closely. The problem? We looked closely.

Of the 14 'Physx and Cuda' programs in 1H/2009, at least seven of them were out in 2008. No really, Unreal Tournament III is not a brand new program, and Cyberlink, Arcsoft, MotionDSP, Seti and TPMGenc were actively touted by Nvidia last year. By my count, the list is heavily weighted on 2008, and has a downward trend for 2009, mirroring what I see in the market. Second own goal in as many slides.

The next few slides move on to the 1xx series, and the first claims that it is the fastest GPU for sleek notebooks. All I can say is that, if this is true, why didn't Apple use it? Maybe the next one down, the 9600M melts and dies prematurely in such close confines. This one is going to be much better, just ask Nvidia, the last three or four weren't, but this time is different. Someone has to believe it one of these days.

Slide 14 shows that the 160M is 'up to 50 per cent' faster than the ATI 4670M. Again, there is one 50 per cent, and the rest are much closer to 10 per cent, with many at zero. Once again, they don't disclose the hardware, almost like they only do that when it is in their advantage. If it were true, it would be really dishonest, right?

From there, we go back to the magical land where people don't know maths. There are three graphs that show a 9800M GTX vs a GTX 280M, a 9800M GTS vs a GTX 260M and a 9700M GT vs a GTS 160M. Let's put aside the little problem that on slide 4 they were comparing the 160M to the 9800M GS and know that those two would not make a favorable comparison, so they switch things up. I wonder why?

In any case, this one is hilarious for a completely different reason. The first comparison shows that the 280M is 20 per cent more efficient than it's predecessor, the 260M is 30 per cent better, and the 160M is 40 per cent better than the 9700M, not the 9800M GS. The hilarity? There is a big label pointing to the graph showing 40 per cent gains and it is labeled, "~30 per cent Better!". The arrow does not point to the one showing a 30 per cent gain, it clearly points to the 40 per cent. Words fail me, they can't count. When people publish these slides in a few days, check this out... it goes well past typo.

Slide 16 is actually dead on, it quotes Anandtech on the sorry state of notebook drivers. Nvidia did a good thing with quarterly releases of drivers, and they deserve credit for it. Hopefully ATI will follow suit shortly.
From there they claim that the 280M switches '10x faster' from integrated to discrete graphics with hybrid power, from seven seconds to less than one in the new chips.

Shall I be the first to point out that this likely means they fixed the broken-ass state of the 9300 in the B2 steppings like we told you about earlier, because this functionality is quite distinctly missing in the Apple Macbooks? It could be that apple didn't need the awesome power of hybridnameoftheweek, or it could be that the chips were as buggy as Apple was claiming they were. You decide.

Slide 18 touts Blu-ray playback. YAWN, if you don't do this, it is a problem. It is 2009 now guys, everyone can do this, most better than you. Let it die, no one cares any more, discs are dead.

The next one claims to be the first to have the first DX11 drivers, supposedly released in November, which Nvidia claims means they are Windows 7 ready. A little honesty creeps into the presentation here, it say that they have DX11 drivers on DX10 hardware. How useful, especially considering how well DX11 maps to the 4870 vs the GT200 cores.

Then again, this presentation is about the G92 which is far worse than the GT200 cores in that regard. I am not sure which claim is dumber, but there is no Nvidia DX11 hardware, and given their track record lately, it may not happen this year. Or next. If they survive that long.

Moving onto slide 20, the claim here is that Nvidia has 'graphics +' while ATI only has 'graphics'. All of the Nvidia boxes are higher than the corresponding ATI boxes, with downward arrows. Buy 12 kiddies, Nvidia has a +, which we assume to mean aggravation when the vendor denies your bad bumps warranty claim. In any case, it is well worth the price premium for that + symbol.
The closing slide is a wrap-up where Nvidia claims performance leadership, drivers, and proprietary languages that have the industry uptake of three-day-old fish.

Luckily they don't claim basic counting skills... that might clue in even the most tame reviewer.

 

 
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4 Comments
battlefield_gir
Mar 3, 2009 11:16 AM
And proof of this mystical slide is where.
I think the inquirer just do not like nvidia
Hawkeye
Mar 3, 2009 12:21 PM
Well, as press we often get access to a lot of docs that we're not allowed to pass on to the public. I've no doubt these slides are quite real, as frankly we're not all that impressed with Nvidia's actions recently, either.

- DH
Rage09
Mar 3, 2009 1:17 PM
I only upgrade my computer every 1-2 years and its coming around to that time and all this crap from nvidia has really put a dampener on my confidence in thier product. If i buy something am i getting a new product or just a repack of what i already have?
For the next build i'm not even bothering with sli (scaling and heat issues) and will most likely get an intel based board. Only thing left is gfx card and if ati can yop the 295s i'll go with them, even though thier drivers are not the best :P
nesquick
Mar 3, 2009 6:54 PM
Rage09 stick to ATI for the moment they hold the price/performance crown with the HD4870 which is such a great card, ATI having bad drivers IMO is a myth as I have owned many ATI products and never had troubles with drivers.
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