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ACMA's censorship black list to emerge
By David Hollingworth
Mar 19, 2009 | 61 Comments
Tags: acma | net | censorhsip | wikileaks

Essential linkage: UPDATED 4.39pm: Wikileaks posts ACMA black list, site now appears to be 'down'. Talk about odd coincidences...

We reported on Asher Moses excellent coverage of the emerging stoush between the ACMA and whistleblowing site Wikileaks. And now, it looks like things are about to get even hotter - Wikileaks, Asher reports today, has uncovered a copy of the black list, and intends to publish it very shortly.

From the article:

But about half of the sites on the list are not related to child porn and include a slew of online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist.

"It seems to me as if just about anything can potentially get on the list," Landfelt said.

Bjorn Landfeldt is an associate professor at Sydney University.

The alarming thing here, as Asher points out in his piece, is that it seems there is very poor oversight on the compiling of the list. This is made worse by the fact that it's secret - what is that poor tourist site to do if it doesn't even know it's being filtered from potential customers!

There's also a lot of alarm about the potential of the list to be damaging in itself, if it should 'fall into the wrong hands', as it were. But that seems a long bow to pull - these sites are already out there, and it doesn't take a Google genius to find some of the nastier corners of the web. 

Stephen Conroy has said he's willing to refer the possible leak to the Australian Federal Police - the threat would ring hollow were it not so terribly possible. 

"No one interested in cyber safety would condone the leaking of this list," Conroy says in Asher's article. Well, no one interested in rights and freedom of information should condone it being hid, either.

UPDATE: As of now, Wikileaks has posted the blacklist. From their post:

Most of the sites on the Australian list have no obvious connection to child pornography. Some have changed owners while others were clearly always about other subjects.

Australian democracy must not be permitted to sleep with this loaded gun.

SECOND UPDATE: It appears that someone's taken note of Wikileaks' action. As of sometime this afternoon, the site appears to be being blocked, or has been taken down. We had managed to navigate to the page this morning to peruse the black list, but a recent browser refresh failed, as did trying to open http://wikileaks.org/ itself.

Censorship in action, or just a coincidence? Hmm...

 
 
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waylander232
Mar 19, 2009 1:03 PM
By time I had read the 3rd site on that list my eyebrows were as high as they could go. Now my face hurts.
This is ridiculous, and all together frightening.
RandomWally
Mar 19, 2009 1:30 PM
Honestly, WTF is happening with our elected representatives? This has to be one of the most blatantly stupid ideas in years yet they still seem to be pushing this agenda hard. Is there a list of morons who are supporting this so we know who NOT to vote for at the next election? I would vote a braindead dog into power rather than have this filter become a reality.
Mademan
Mar 19, 2009 1:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbFnH66eGtU
hectorbustnuts
Mar 19, 2009 1:52 PM
So what does this mean to the end user currently?

If I were to click on one of the links listed in that blacklist, what exactly would be the consequences?

Taranthor
Mar 19, 2009 1:55 PM
Oh my GOD.

xtube is on the list....

Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 1:58 PM
Well, I'm not sure. At the moment, the issue is including an actual link on a site. Clicking such a link should not be an issue, as such - apart from the problems of certain things ending up in a cache that you would rather not have there.
Dany Williams
Mar 19, 2009 2:33 PM
This is just crazy, there is no reason why many of these sites should be put onto the list.

It should be my choice if I wish to access any of these sites on my own PC not some dipshit in office. There was even a link to Bethesda in the banned list, what have they done to deserve being added. I for one did not vote to have this filter added to the network, I voted to get rid of the people who were trying to put it in.

When did we become a part dictatorship, where someone gets to decide what I should be able to view or not.

Mademan: I agree.
TechHeadFred
Mar 19, 2009 2:50 PM
This seems rather over-the-top. I thought this list was only for child porn? There seem to be a lot of sites that are just general porn or "undesirable" sites. Surely as responsible adults we have the choice as to whether or not we wish to have access to such sites?
Dany Williams
Mar 19, 2009 3:13 PM
Just fired off an email to the minister, lets see if and what type of response i get.
orcone
Mar 19, 2009 3:15 PM
Lol thanks for the TONNES of new porn sites Australian Government ;)
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:09 PM
This is why our PM speaks Chinese. Makes it easier for him to talk to those fuckn RED Commies about what sites to ban.
We are becoming VERY CHINA.
ahsoka
Mar 19, 2009 4:16 PM
Can I get a copy of the list?
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:17 PM
Just tried to connect to Wikileaks. Gettiong network timeout errors.
Hmmm, seems like someone up the line is already manipulating the connection to Wikileaks.
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 4:23 PM
Wow, Majestic, you might be right...

I've had the actual blacklist page on wikileaks open since this morning, and just tried to refresh. No dice. Man... nor can I bring up the wikileaks home page.

And it's very unlikely they've been hammered with traffic. That's kinda spooky.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:28 PM
So now we know that BIG BROTHER has taken this Wikileaks site to heart an is blocking it, because they care.
Time to find an anonymous proxy and go to it that way :)
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:37 PM
I think the site might genuinely be down, anonymous proxy servers cant connect to it either. Also getting timeouts when I ping the site using http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=ping&host=www.wikileaks.org
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 4:40 PM
That's a helluva coincidence!
moofactory
Mar 19, 2009 4:41 PM
I agree, to the best of my knowledge the government can not block sites directly but have to request each ISP in australia to do so.

Untill they enforce this filter I dont think anything is blocked.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:45 PM
Seems like it.
Or ASIO have found out where the Wikileaks servers is and have just blown it up, lol.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:47 PM
Will the list be hosted by ACMA on their servers so everytime you surf to a webpage, your ISP proxy will check with ACMA to see if its safe to let you go to that site, or will ISP's get sent updated lists all the time? If thats the case the list will never ever be able to be kept confidential.
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 4:51 PM
The list, as Conroy has pointed out in his latest press release (http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/014) will be supplied to ISPs.

So, yeah. That'll work.

- DH
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:52 PM
IS this Conroy guy retarded??
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 4:55 PM
Conroy reckons that the leaked list is not the ACMA list. If thats the case then why is he considering referral to the AFP? He should have nothing to worry about if the leaked list is not the real one.

RIGHT????????????
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 4:57 PM
Yeah, that had certainly occurred to me :)
t8y
Mar 19, 2009 4:58 PM
guys the list hasnt been taken down..

heard of the slashdot effect?
SquallStrife
Mar 19, 2009 5:07 PM
I'd say it's just overloaded... not necessarily blocked.
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 5:11 PM
Yeah, you're most likely correct, but that's freaky-odd timing, and for a site like wikileaks (which you'd think would be immune to slashdotting) doubly so.
seab4ss
Mar 19, 2009 5:19 PM
Fuk you Rudd!! Thats the first and last time i will vote for you! LEAVE MAI INTERNETZ ALONE!!!!

PS - Whats the slashdot effect?
xtort
Mar 19, 2009 5:46 PM
did anyone get a copy of the list? if so then let me know i would like to see it. AND FORWARD IT TO EVERY ONE I KNOW!!!! just to prove a point that this is a democracy. I can eat, watch, listen and read what ever i want as long as it is not against the law. now it looks like the very idea of free speach which is the very core of this thing called democracy is now infact illegal. To COMRADE K.RUDD IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE DONT KEEP F@$&ING LOOKING!!!!!!!
ahsoka
Mar 19, 2009 5:55 PM
If I get the list I will email it to lots of people, upload it to various hosting sites, and upload it to lots of torrent sites. And put links to it all over the internet.
That should get it out there :)
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 6:14 PM
seab4ss: Slashdot effect/slashdotted - often, when a site gets posted on popular tech news aggregator www.slashdot.org it will get overloaded with by visitors.

When a page goes offline for this reason, it has been slashdotted.
Argotha
Mar 19, 2009 6:48 PM
Unfortuneatley, i think majority of the general public have nfi that this is happening, and some fo those those do will likely not do anything about it.

Next they'll be wanting to block atomic becuase most of the users (who have found out about the governments totalitarian scemes [and are not ignorant]) are talking about how BS this idea is...
MedicineBaby
Mar 19, 2009 6:56 PM
Oh this seems like such a fun time!

Reminds me of 'Serenity', where they went to Mr Universe in order to tell everyone the truth about The Reavers!

YAY!
ut2k4 learner
Mar 19, 2009 7:12 PM
http://88.80.13.160.nyud.net/leak/acma-secret-blacklist-aug-2008.txt

hai bitachs 4chan delivers
t8y
Mar 19, 2009 7:30 PM
just for interests sake, punched the above post by ut2k4 learner into google;
"In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org."

chillingeffects.org is an anti-child pr0n organisation.. so based on that im guessing the list is infact genuine..
Argotha
Mar 19, 2009 7:33 PM
Hopefully ACMA wont notice that link here ;)
t8y
Mar 19, 2009 7:36 PM
sorry for double post..

had a looksee, seems a lot of the items on that list is normal pr0n, nothing crazy or extreme
although theres a fair amount of that there too
uuugghhh yuuuk

just hope this sparks some anger amongst the general public about what the gov is trying to push on all of us, and we go back to the current system of "parental supervision" that strangely seems to still be working for us, at least..
ahsoka
Mar 19, 2009 7:44 PM
ut2k4 learner: Nice work man!
discoInferno
Mar 19, 2009 8:03 PM
I can't believe this has happened! Well actually I can - it was only a matter of time I suppose.

Not sure if this will be seen as a good or bad thing by general mums and dads though. It could be seen as now necessitating the blocking of the sites to "protect the children" from the now public list.
ahsoka
Mar 19, 2009 8:13 PM
discoInferno: but we can counter the children argument with "will someone please think of the bandwidth" or "we have to protect our civil liberties from the Government".
Argotha
Mar 19, 2009 8:13 PM
Hmm good point disco, I wonder if anyone else thought of that?
"It could be seen as now necessitating the blocking of the sites to "protect the children" from the now public list."
xtort
Mar 19, 2009 8:38 PM
no problem blocking sites that should be ill even put up with the shitty bandwidth but this is an open ended bit of legislation. I think all the scared mums and dads would mind if the government started opening their mail cos thats around the corner for email if this goes through
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 8:57 PM
xtort i have to agree with you, having lived in a country that was ruled by a dictator for almost half my life, i can tell you that its not pretty to receive your letters already opened (can be handy if you're too lazy to open them yourself, lol) or to pick up the phone when it rings only to hear that extra click, meaning that your conversation is being recorded. The issue is that people in this country have no idea what thats really like, but are willing to listen to Government lies about protecting us from invisible and fictitious enemies. Once we give up these freedoms and liberties, in most cases blood will have to be shed by innocent people to get them back.
I feel so sorry for votting for Rudd now if I knew what a total cunt he would turn out to be. He is taking this country into ruin thats going to take a long time to get out of. Mark my words, this money that we're receiving now, its going to take us a long time to pay back, nothing is given to us for free by the government, and to top it all off, all the money thats being spent on this ridiculous blacklist crap. I suppose its easy to spend tax payer money, you can always tax them more, the alcopops fiasco is also a good examople.
Anyway I hope we come through this OK, I would hate to see us on the same level as China and the UAE, which we will be if this thing gets implemented.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 9:03 PM
Oh NOOOOOO. thehun.com is on the list. lol. that site has been around for over 10 years now, ummmmm a mate of mine tells me, lol
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 9:05 PM
I think it's very easy to look straight to the top of the foodchain instances like this - Mr Rudd - and place the blame firmly at his feet.

But that's unfair. Extremely so.

The fact is there are a LOT of people in and out of the government that support this move. Ordinary people, political people, well informed people. We may disagree with them, but name calling, doom-and-gloom-saying, is not going to make it go away.

I voted for Kevin. I am fracking glad I did, and I am grateful he is in. I have given him, in part, a mandate to do as he wishes, to appoint people to important positions, in my name.

But that, of course, is in turn going to lead to things being done I don't like. That is not a fault of Rudd, but rather the nature of our political system.

It's easy to think of western democracy as an ideal of personal choice, and to claim that any 'aberration' from same is a fault (or, as many here have said - communist :) ). But that too is wrong - it's how the system works. It's how, I imagine, it will always work.

It might be romantic to dream of shedding one's blood to win back some imagined lost freedom... but you must realise that these are not freedoms that we ever really had. And, truth be told, we are SO VERY free.

We are, in fact, free to protest this very thing. And that's something we should be grateful for.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 9:21 PM
Well said Hawkeye. Theres always the next Federal election where we the voters can make our voices heard. In the meantime I'm certainly grateful that I can express my views and protest this very thing, but I still dont agree with the way that this is done.
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 9:32 PM
But here's the thing? Would you vote out Rudd for this thing, only to see something worse in his place?

There's an old joke. What's the point of voting in an election? 'Cause no matter what you do, a politician wins.
majestic975
Mar 19, 2009 9:40 PM
Hahaha, well no matter who we vote for a politician will win, its the way it works. I think at the end of the day all politicians are the same, they cant really please everyone with the stuff they try tu push through parliament. Both Rudd and Howard are reacting to public concerns, but its sad to see religion being mixed with politics and also the government listening to these fucked up minority groups and lobby groups that have a totally warped view and reality and how things are. Just because someone thinks that theres too much violence on TV for example, we shouldnt all be made to watch the 7:30 Report because its nice and someone else thinks that.
Another thing I hate is, kneejerk reactions by the government.
Hawkeye
Mar 19, 2009 9:46 PM
But... the 7.30 Report is really good!

:)
t8y
Mar 19, 2009 9:51 PM
well while i voted for rudd, next election its greens all the way. dont care who their preference votes are, as long as theres an alternative voice that listens to the public, not tells us how we want things done.

and hopefully, by telling them with our votes, no future government will dare touch our internet again.

having said that, who knows how many voters will keep rudd in if the gov keeps handing out free moneys..
thats another topic for another time tho lol
MedicineBaby
Mar 19, 2009 9:52 PM
The 7:30 report doesn't match Question Time (House of Representatives).

For me it's like a soccer match, yelling at the ministers and PM through the television.
xtort
Mar 19, 2009 9:54 PM
Ha four corners for me :)
ahsoka
Mar 19, 2009 10:36 PM
Lateline FTW! But others like The 7:30 Report and Four Corners are great too.
ShiroKage
Mar 19, 2009 11:38 PM
errr yea, i just went to one of the sites on that blacklist. (omg throw me in prison)

aa.sharonis.com

looks like it's been banned for simply having the word "kid models"!! fuck you government!
Athiril
Mar 20, 2009 12:17 AM
Fuck me Conroy is turning me into a rageaholic.

And I would certainly choose saving my internet over saving Conroy's :P
majestic975
Mar 20, 2009 6:26 AM
God, dont know what I'd do at work at this time in the morning had it not been for the ACMA blacklist to keep me busy. Thanks ACMA, I'd have to do work otherwise :)
MagnumXY
Mar 20, 2009 4:35 PM
just the amount of comments on here prove how unpopular the filter is. btw wikileaks is back up.
Mademan
Mar 20, 2009 4:49 PM
xtube!? noooooooooooooo!

/downloads camtasia
Dany Williams
Mar 20, 2009 6:07 PM
I like the latest little bit of news, link and statement attached.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks_to_Conroy:_Go_after_our_source_and_we_will_go_after_you

"The Stockholm based publisher of Wikileaks today issued a warning to the Australian Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, Senator Steven Conroy, who is responsible for Australian internet censorship.

Senator Conroy issued an official media release yesterday in response to Wikileaks' release of last year's confidential Australian internet censorship blacklist. The Senator said that his department, "is investigating this matter and is considering a range of possible actions it may take including referral to the Australian Federal Police. Any Australian involved in making this content publicly available would be at serious risk of criminal prosecution."

The Senator is perhaps unware of the legal and diplomatic risks associated with the statement.

Sunshine Press Legal Adviser Jay Lim stated:

"Under the Swedish Constitution's Press Freedom Act, the right of a confidential press source to anonymity is protected, and criminal penalties apply to anyone acting to breach that right.

Wikileaks source documents are received in Sweden and published from Sweden so as to derive maximum benefit from this legal protection. Should the Senator or anyone else attempt to discover our source we will refer the matter to the Constitutional Police for prosecution, and, if necessary, ask that the Senator and anyone else involved be extradited to face justice for breaching fundamental rights."

Senator Conroy may wish to consider the position of the South African Competition Commission, which decided to cancel its own high profile leak investigation in January after being advised of the legal ramifications of interfering with Sunshine Press sources."

It will be interesting to see how Conroy and the government reacts to this little statement.
majestic975
Mar 20, 2009 7:53 PM
Go Wikileaks. You got BIG Balls all I can say. Seems like that theres only so much bad publicity that Conroy and the Rudd Govt can stomach.
Denying access to a website because of your draconian views makes you no different to the countries mentioned in the comments in the thread.

There are other better ways to protect the children than implementing blacklists that you want to keep secret. This puts you on a path to being a dictatorial regime as you will lose peoples trust.
xFOADx
Mar 22, 2009 7:33 AM
If the mandatory filter gets up, and lets hope it doesn't,
Conroy has said it won't be illegal to circumvent the filter (for now is the implied text). I wonder if it will be illegal to publish ways of circumvention?
Also be good business opportunities to set up proxy servers for Australians only in the US or Europe or both.
Won't that be funny standard TPG filtered account, or super TPG with inbuilt proxy from the US.

The fact that one of the sites on the list is also the 38th most popular in Australia, and an article in fridays paper saying that 28% of men masturbate while looking at online porn and hide it from their partners
ought to make the government look long and hard at whether they really want to go down this route.
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