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Why NVIDIA's GT300 seems to be in trouble

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Why NVIDIA's GT300 seems to be in trouble
By Justin Robinson
Sep 18, 2009 | 15 Comments
Tags: Why | NVIDIA | GT300 | trouble | opinion

Opinion: NVIDIA are quaking in their big green boots, and here's why.

NVIDIA are the biggest and most popular choice in gaming hardware on the market according to the Steam Hardware Survey, driven by their admittedly excellent 8800GT that was incredibly affordable but still had some grunt behind it.

When they first released their DirectX 10 hardware almost two years ago now, they touted it as the next age of computing and urged absolutely everyone to upgrade to them. Of course this was a given; they were first to market with their DX10 parts, and happened to have the best performance to boot.

But recent times have changed the game significantly for NVIDIA - no longer are they riding the first wave of new technology, and are actually lagging behind ATI with next-gen parts. This normally wouldn't be quite newsworthy enough by itself, since we either have one or the other with parts first, but it's how NVIDIA is behaving that speaks volumes more about their tech than any news we've had so far ever could.

Instead of bragging about their upcoming DX11 parts NVIDIA has thrown their press release team into full-blown defence mode, spreading word far and wide in a precautionary (and some would say petty) way to attempt to ward enthusiasts off ATI's DX11 tech.

This isn't always transparently obvious, but with yesterday's leaked news that NVIDIA's GT300 would be significantly faster than ATI's RV870 core it was pretty clearly aimed at stopping those early adopters from ever thinking about going red.

They've repeated a similar performance today that TechPowerUp covered - with NVIDIA's VP of investor relations saying the following:

DirectX 11 by itself is not going be the defining reason to buy a new GPU. It will be one of the reasons. This is why Microsoft is in work with the industry to allow more freedom and more creativity in how you build content, which is always good, and the new features in DirectX 11 are going to allow people to do that. But that no longer is the only reason, we believe, consumers would want to invest in a GPU.

Completely changing their tack from the DX10 launch (where they were first to release), they're now instead attempting to take as much of the focus and excitement about the new parts away. What it boils down to is simple childish behaviour clearly aimed at keeping ATI's DX11 launch sales as low as possible.

The VP went on to wax lyrical about how "going from 120fps to 125fps is not going to fundamentally change end-user experience", apparently ignoring that today's highend gaming systems can barely run Crysis at a decent clip and struggle with other games with the eye candy turned up. This is a fatuous and asinine thing to claim, but it's made even worse when he goes on to tout the benefits of NVIDIA-only stuff like PhysX, 3D Vision and CUDA.

Serious enthusiasts know that while PhysX is definitely cool, only very few games actually support it and even if they do, it's merely used for a few tattered rags and the occasional explosion. 3D Vision is awesome, but only if you have an impossible-to-source-in-Australia monitor and compatible games. CUDA is handy at times, but it's an NVIDIA-only technology that will eventually be replaced by the hardware nonspecific OpenCL.

What this all boils down to is that NVIDIA simply isn't ready to launch their DX11 technology, something backed up by rumours of their less than 2% functioning yields, and definitely shown through their behaviour. It's pretty sad to see a company as big as this behaving in this way, especially when ATI didn't when the situation was reversed some years ago.

Whether or not this will affect your purchasing decision is up to you, and if indeed NVIDIA can pull a new architecture from nowhere and take the performance crown at an affordable price then perhaps all they've been saying will be justified - but then again, it's not every day that pigs will fly.

 

 
 
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philo-sofa
Sep 18, 2009 11:59 AM
As was pointed out @ OCNZ - one can try putting Mr Demerjian's source into a translator...

Quote:
The translation, as we read it, says there were nine good samples that came back from TSMC from the first hot lot.

So he´s refering to this translation:

Quote:
NVIDIA GT300 is an Engineering sample of nine will be completed in January of this year's fastest 12 to begin shipping in January.

However, copy/paste that text (source) into babelfish japanese -> english and you get this:

Quote:
NVIDIA makes Engineering sample of GT300 COMPLETE in September, with most speed starts of shipment in December of this year.


Who knows, but I do know Mr Demerjian is a tad 'anti Nvidia'. There's also been a fair amount of talk around their yields being quite decent now. At a guess (and it may well be wrong) I'd say this is a story that was siezed upon by a rather biased (however valid that bias' origin may have been) reporter, wuthout proper investigation.
TheFrunj
Sep 18, 2009 12:11 PM
Granted Mr Demerjian is quite biased, but the timing and outrageous claims by NVIDIA at a pivotal time near ATI's launch cannot be ignored.

-JR
philo-sofa
Sep 18, 2009 2:04 PM
Very fair point, Nvidia's behaviour does definately suggest they're in trouble, just perhaps not quite so much trouble as Demerjian thinks (well, wishes...) they were.

Cheers for the response.
seab4ss
Sep 18, 2009 4:01 PM
I will be staying away from Nvidia for as long as i can, not because of their cards, but because fo their PR department.
Athiril
Sep 18, 2009 4:09 PM
Eh, why would I want to upgrade my card in the near future at all? I got my GT 260 for about $280 more than a year ago, I havent seen anything that really pushes it around yet.
antifunker
Sep 18, 2009 6:12 PM
nVidia's PR and marketing department are doing their job. Seeming better than ATI's.

Hardly childish behaviour.
Phobo
Sep 18, 2009 6:42 PM
Let the results speak for themselves when both products are released
cheozuka
Sep 18, 2009 7:15 PM
all this talk is just political crap.
I'll put my money where the best bang for buck is (that can drive my screen)
Admittedly i have only had nvidia cards, but this is mostly related to the fact that i have a nforce chipset, and in previous computers the price point made me get nvidia products at the time.
Granted I am used to the software for nvidia parts, but with new mobo's supporting crossfire and SLi. we are in good stead to be selective in the future:)
Lielthr
Sep 19, 2009 1:27 PM
I will only ever buy ATI even if they have inferior cards, simply because I think the way NVIDIA behaves as a company is unethical. Besides, If these rumours are true, compounded with ATI's dominance in the gaming system graphics market... I don't think the green machine will be a dominant market force in the future unless they change their modus operandi very quickly.
hazarama
Sep 22, 2009 12:11 AM
I'd imagine NVidia is spread a bit thin lately with the emergence of the ION and Tegra chipsets. Establishing new markets would have a serious drain on resources plus with the economic wobbles the high-end parts would have a relative low priority at the mo.
layzi
Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM
i sense rage in the air, reality is the majority of consumers couldn't care less, they just want something that can drive their games and prawn.
somemadcaaant
Sep 22, 2009 3:54 PM
Always with the prawns... "shakes head" then "shakes the other".

oh wait u where talking about the movie District 9!
fastz28camaro1981
Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM
Am I the ONLY person on Earth that thinks a great reason to get Nvidia's cards is because of the "3D Vision"?

many people out there have a FALSE idea of what "3D Vision" is, they are probably imagining it as this...

"Oh those old Red & Blue glasses eh? no thanks"

they are totally unaware of how it works, and what it's like, it's amazing, it LITERALLY adds another dimension to your gaming, and I think that if it means waiting a couple months for Nvidia to come forward with their DX11 card, that it's worth that wait, because it will ALSO let you play games in 3D.

it would AT LEAST be nice to know that should you ever change your mind in the future, you have the option of playing a game in 3D, if you so choose, rather than upgrading, and hucking your ATI card. Don't get me wrong, ATI make amazing cards as well, but if you want 3D, you can forget about that with ATI (For now anyways)

Nvidia has claimed that their card will be more powerful than the 5870, and there is probably a great reason why they haven't released their card yet... Hint hint, nudge nudge, CHRISTMAS TIME..

so don't be mellow dramatic, and think it's over for Nvidia, they understand how DirectX works just as much as ATI does.

I imagine the delay is mainly because of marketing tactics. IE: "Mommy can you buy me this for Christmas?"

So my suggestion to people, is to simply WAIT, so there's a new card on the block, big deal, it's not like all of a sudden your frames on GTA IV is going to drop to 5 fps, just because there's a new one, even if your using an aging 8800 GTX, your still laughing, because your getting great performance, if you own a decent CPU to compliment it.

It really comes down to "Who's got the baddest card", it's just bragging rights, but if people can let go of their Ego, they'll be grateful in the future, once they see what Nvidia has to offer.
fastz28camaro1981
Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM
Let's also give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt that what they are claiming is true... that their card will be more powerful than the 5870.

if it is true, it would be a shame to run out and buy a 5870, wishing you hadn't.
beyondtool
Sep 27, 2009 11:48 PM
Who seriously thinks today's graphics cards are up to task of running many recent games let alone 8800GTX's which are 2 years old? My 8800GTS 640mb is a dog in Cryis even at lowly resolutions, the 5870 looks to be the first card that can actually run the game at 60fps at decent resolutions. That's what I would consider playable, it's certainly the benchmark touted by many games on the xbox 360. Heck I rarely PC game anymore because the experience is sub par on many games.

Direct X 11 may take a little time to get happening, but they are already delaying Dirt 2 PC's release to include the many, many features of Direct X 11. Windows 7 will be huge and anyone not riding on a Direct X 11 card this time next year will be missing out on the benefits in newer titles.

I'm excited because finally PC gaming will once again rise above the generic standard set by console ports. No console will be able to touch the improvements coming at least in this generation. As the 5870 benches are showing the CPU is FINALLY once again becoming a performance bottleneck.
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