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AMD launches Radeon HD 5850 and 5870

By The Inquirer
10:24 Sep 24, 2009 | 31 Comments
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AMD launches Radeon HD 5850 and 5870

Deals double dose of DirectX 11, and awesomeness.

Much to the chagrin of Nvidia, AMD/ATI today launched its RV870 architecture with the highly anticipated Radeon HD 5850 and HD 5870 graphics cards.

We could spend a whole day writing about it, but we'll leave that up to our reviews. In the meantime we'll give you the skinny on what they are and what you can expect.

As you've figured out by now there are two SKUs, the HD 5850 and 5870, both built on the RV870. The RV870 architecture itself isn't an entirely new approach to the GPU design - it's both a die shrink and a doubling-up of raw processing power on a single die, with some extra silicon thrown in to accommodate advanced features like the new display controllers and Tesselation unit.

Here are the official specs from AMD's presentation.click to view full size image

AMD has essentially twice all of the good stuff it had on the RV770 architecture and it has produced a 1440-1600 stream processor monster with 2.15 billion transistors on a single die. The clock rates are 725MHz and 850MHz for the junior and senior cards. Both cards have 1GB of GDDR5 memory running on a 256-bit interface at 1GHz and 1.2GHz, respectively. This means they'll deliver 128Gbps and 153.6Gbps of memory throughput. Otherwise the chips have identical feature sets.

click to view full size image

GDDR5 is now supplied by Hynix and Samsung, as opposed to the now-defunct Qimonda kit. You'll notice the differences between the 5850 and 5870 are really down to binning and marketing, as the dies are one and the same.

Performance-wise, the numbers presented by AMD show across-the-board improvements over the previous generation, and bad news for Nvidia. Against the GTX 285, AMD is showing anything from 18 per cent to a rather extreme 155 per cent gain in Lost Planet: Colonies under Windows 7 at 2560x1600 resolution.

That's not your typical gaming situation, but it's definitely the target for the HD 5870.

One of the biggest changes over the RV770 is the RV870's power management. While 170W and 188W at load might sound high, AMD did double the SIMD units on these chips while moving to a new node. However, according to AMD, the new boards can keep an idle power rating of 27W, compared to 90W in the HD 4870. That should save a bit on the power bill, and your ears. You really wouldn't want to browse the web with a hoover in the background.

 
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31 Comments
LordBug
Sep 24, 2009 10:42 AM
Oh wow. If that isn't a sexy bit of casing, I don't know what is. Hells yeah!
luijustin
Sep 24, 2009 10:53 AM
Is that price in AUD or USD?
Damn good value if it is AUD.
pinecoffin
Sep 24, 2009 11:07 AM
Oh!

That'd be crazy good prices if in AUD but I'd say it's in USD.
Hawkeye
Sep 24, 2009 11:08 AM
Ah, USD - I'll update the article!
Level2
Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM
Might seem like a silly question but, what's the reason fro upgrading the graphics card - to drive larger monitors or increase speed? I use a 1440 x 900 monitor. Will I benefit from a faster card?
Level2
Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM
Might seem like a silly question but, what's the reason for upgrading the graphics card - to drive larger monitors or increase speed? I use a 1440 x 900 monitor. Will I benefit from a faster card?
pinecoffin
Sep 24, 2009 11:27 AM
I have seen the 5850 online in AUD for $380 and the 5870 for $545. Pretty reasonable prices imo for a new release card.
pinecoffin
Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM
@Level2, of course you will. You'll become an instant god at FPS games like CoD when using one of these puppies. :P
Hawkeye
Sep 24, 2009 11:37 AM
Our testing shows huge improvements in graphically intensive games like Crysis, plus DirectX 11 has some subtle effects that are quite nice, though of course in limited games.

The big thing with the 5-series is that they'll be future proof for years. I use a 4870X2 in my rig, so there's probably no pressing reason to upgrade (though, then again, I still haven't maxxed out all the settings on LotRO... Hmm).
nesquick
Sep 24, 2009 11:47 AM
Most articles show this card is beaten by the GTX295 in a lot of tests and equal to a HD4870X2, kind of sad considering the 5870 is 2 4890's slapped together which in theory should beat a HD4870x2 by a considerable margin.

In multi card situations Nvidia most of the time comes out trumps with the cheaper GTX285 in SLI.

(note I am talking about tests from sites like Anandtech not dodgy ones) we have a 8 page thread in GPU's if anyone is interested in giving their 2cents.
thesorehead
Sep 24, 2009 11:49 AM
Level2 - if you play at native resolution, a better graphics card means you can up the detail on your graphically-intense games.

Of course if all you're playing is WoW, you might want to save your pennies to buy moar golds.

And if you're a SupCom player, graphically a 4770 is overkill - but you'll want a quad-core CPU.

However if you're amongst the top-level enthusiast crowd, gathering and defeating shiny new games as they come out - you'll definitely see an advantage at that resolution.

Nice design, I like the idle-power (and hopefully, noise) specs.
pkroeze
Sep 24, 2009 12:08 PM
@nesquick go to guru3D and read their article on the 5870, they've got test results vs a GTX285 and HD4890 and it pretty much trounces both, and it performs right up there against the GTX295 and HD4870X2. So for a single core GPU it's awesome
phatbeat
Sep 24, 2009 12:12 PM
Awesome news, so what was the price? Also will this mean the 4890's will drop in price now? I'm looking at getting one to crossfire with my hd4770.
pkroeze
Sep 24, 2009 12:13 PM
@nesquick BTW at video transcoding it beats the GTX295 by 16 seconds and a core i7 965 by 5 seconds
TheFrunj
Sep 24, 2009 12:18 PM
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=5870&spos=3

Using my wily powers of search-fu I've found most places listing it for about $550-600. In other words, not too bad!

-JR
Hoonbernator
Sep 24, 2009 12:33 PM
Gah that thing looks longer than my entire case... It'd have to sound like a hair dryer when going full tilt.
Negotiator
Sep 24, 2009 12:48 PM
Those two air intakes could suck in a small child when the fan is spinning at full speed.
Hawkeye
Sep 24, 2009 1:03 PM
Yeah, our testing shows this as *the* performance card.
Mudg3
Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM
well we'll just have to wait for the reviews in the mag and when some of us get our hands on some.
TheFrunj
Sep 24, 2009 1:10 PM
Sexy pic up on teh facespace:

http://www.facebook.com/AtomicMPC
nesquick
Sep 24, 2009 1:37 PM
Phatbeat you can't crossfire a HD5870 with a HD4770, they are 2 totally different cores so therefore it wont work, you can however run them both and use up to 6 screens (4 +2).
phatbeat
Sep 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Ahhh sorry nesquick, i probably wasn't very clear. I was going to crossfire a 4890 with my 4770. Just hoping the release of these bad boys drop the price on all the other sku's.
hecktik_bro
Sep 24, 2009 2:43 PM
Looks beasty... hope to see some benchmarks against the 295 soon :) from a reliable source :D (maybe like atomic)
Argotha
Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM
Well the card themselves are $AU 460 and 245 respectively using a simple conversion however because they have to get them to our lonely island :/

and before I forget, /ogasms multiple times during article

and now that i am prety well free of year 12 i will hopefully be able to get one of the bad boys
nesquick
Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM
Phatbeat a HD4770 wont crossfire with a HD4890 either its a rv740 gpu with a rv790 gpu which is not possible.
iamthemaxx
Sep 24, 2009 5:44 PM
At least now I can replace me 8800GTX!
Ghost_Bear
Sep 25, 2009 3:13 AM
"These cards are set to replace the aging ATI 4850 and 4870 cards" aren't those two cards barely a year old?

@Hawkeye: And lol, I HIGHLY doubt anything these days is ever going to be future proofed for more than 6 months, with the rate of technological science and development, assembly, production and distribution increasing exponentially within bubbles of that exact rate of 6 to 9 months, within which, new technology becomes available.

Wishful thinking at best, I anticipate.
Level2
Sep 25, 2009 10:21 AM
Hi Pinecoffin, thanx for the info - it's all clear now. By the way, I searched Shopbot and found out that Jantech computers are selling a Sapphire 5850 for AU$394.47. Where did you see it for AU$380? Level2.
Lambo
Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM
That's fantasitc. Now where are they?

Oh wait it's one of those 'Launches but you wont see them for another 3 months' type announcements.
Ezekill
Sep 25, 2009 12:29 PM
Here ya go Lambo ... $580 for the "HIS ATI HD5870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI/ HDMI/ Game included"

http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=6

SL

AIMBOT
Sep 28, 2009 8:18 AM
It's good to see the new cards on the market, but I'm yet to find a game that my 1GB 4870 can't handled maxed on a 22" native res.

It'll have to wait for a game worth upgrading for (few and far between these days).
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