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OFLC bans ultra-violent Aliens vs. Predator game

By Justin Robinson
12:42 Dec 4, 2009 | 65 Comments
Tags: OFLC | bans | ultra-violent | Aliens | vs | Predator | game
OFLC bans ultra-violent Aliens vs. Predator game

AVP banned due to excessive gore.

In a move that is sure to anger the gaming community once again, the Office of Film and Literature Classification, otherwise known as the OFLC, has banned SEGA's latest game - Aliens vs. Predator.

While other games have fallen under the restrictive umbrella of the OFLC in the past due to drug use (Fallout 3) or adult themes, Aliens vs. Predator has been banned due to excessive violence in a similar manner to the recently-released Left 4 dead 2.

There's always the possibility that this game will have the offending content edited out to pass the OFLC's strict guidelines, but another refusal reinforces the incorrect idea that gamers are all children.

As explained to Gamespot, the OFLC sent through the reasons behind their decision:

The game contains first-person perspective, close-up depictions of human characters being subjected to various types of violence, including explicit decapitation and dismemberment as well as locational damage such as stabbing through the chest, mouth, throat, or eyes," the board report stated.

"Characters can be stabbed with a Predator's wrist blade or an Alien's tail in depictions reminiscent of impalement. The Predator collects 'trophies' by explicitly ripping off human heads, their spinal columns dangling from severed necks. Heads can be twisted completely around in order to break a character's neck. Eyes can be stabbed through or gouged, leaving empty, bloodied eye sockets.

"It is noted that a player is able to combine manoeuvres together in quick succession, which further increases impact; for example, a Predator can stab a character through both eyes with its wrist blade and rip off their head, with spinal column still attached. Extensive post-mortem damage, including decapitation and dismemberment, is also possible."

There's not much that can be done now until SEGA decides what to do with their game, so keep tuned in for any news during the leadup to the game's release in February 2010.

 

 
 
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65 Comments
hectorbustnuts
Dec 4, 2009 1:03 PM
"...reminiscent of impalement..."

It jolly well IS impalement!!

Yet another game to import and another case against our broken ratings system.
FriskyBiscuit
Dec 4, 2009 1:30 PM
FFS, As we've grown up with computers we've seen the graphics department since the voodoo card up until now, everyone in the world wants faster componants, faster more pleasing to the eye visuals as we've longed for natural photo realism.
Like many gamers, we are in a state of WoW WtF.

Upgrading a Computer for GAMING Needs is not a cheap one, Looking forward to re-modelled games from our childhood like this game for example, yet in a world where kids already have everything and now the adults who gave them this are now taking rights away.
I'm 18+, with a Heart that wants to play my GRAPHICAL 18+ in Peace with no intent of doing the REAL thing in public.
FB
Déta88
Dec 4, 2009 1:38 PM
Srly can someone shot that Atkinson already hes runined Australia's right to play over the top violents, they are the best games to play (if u have a sick mind :P)
hectorbustnuts
Dec 4, 2009 1:44 PM

Wow, Déta88. You are *clearly* a poster child for intelligent gamers.
Kasalal
Dec 4, 2009 1:45 PM
Deta it seems people like you are the reason we can't have R18+ games.
H3VIW8
Dec 4, 2009 1:45 PM
so obviously the OFLC is for piracy, i'm right, right. ok, good.
Déta88
Dec 4, 2009 1:52 PM
lol im just saying that all the good game got ruined from the OFLC. Fallout 3 for example they ban it cuz of drugs used in game, good fair enough that they changes the name, but change the gameplay to get in the country its not good enough :(
Kasalal
Dec 4, 2009 2:06 PM
And I quote "shot that Atkinson" is a prime example of why you can't be trusted with anything MA15+. I'm sure if you saw it in a game you would act on it.
Déta88
Dec 4, 2009 2:09 PM
yeah i think i went overboard with that but if we had R18+ i wouldnt said anything at all
mark84
Dec 4, 2009 2:16 PM
Wow. Good on OFLC for doing the right thing and not rating it as something children could play. Sucks that there's no adult rating :(

@ H3VIW8 - OFLC just rate the game, they've nothing to do with what ratings are available for games.
Déta88
Dec 4, 2009 2:17 PM
but dont get this the wrong way, i know what hes doing might be good for the country, but hes ruined it for the people whos living in it, i just hope the that election win back in our favor
Krispy89
Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM
Well what do you expect? The OFLC thrives on this sort of thing, they've turned into a bunch of nannies.
SlickGrunt
Dec 4, 2009 4:12 PM
Im truly heartbroken to hear this. Truly. Dead serious.

"locational damage such as stabbing through the chest, mouth, throat, or eyes,"

Woah... that is a bit extreme :P I bet I'll absolutely love this game.
SlickGrunt
Dec 4, 2009 4:14 PM
oh and when it comes out on steam I'll just pull an ace out of my butt and get the uncensored version. I will have this game. No Matter What.
sirtrancealot
Dec 4, 2009 4:57 PM
sorry to say it, but violent video games have been around for ages.. remember the ruckus that the original carmageddon made when it first came out? back in Pentium 100 days..
well hardware has aged, and so have I, but i still love playing violent games (i'm about the most non violent person you'll ever meet IRL)
So why hasn't the rating system matured with us? because stupid politicians that were never young gamers (ok maybe pacman, but thats hardly the same) so clearly have NFI about why they're enjoyable!

Sure i can see why they don't get sold to kids, but what about consenting adults?
why can I go and watch a bloody and gory horror flick (thats shot with real people, and fake blood) but not go out and buy a game that doesn't have anything real about it???

atkinson.. you're a douche and need to wake up to yourself... VIOLENT GAMES DON'T MAKE VIOLENT PEOPLE!! VIOLENT PEOPLE MAKE VIOLENT PPL!!!

Rage09
Dec 4, 2009 5:13 PM
That OFLC quote just sold me on the game, sounds awesome :)
chapps
Dec 4, 2009 5:22 PM
Gettin my hands on this game no matter what. Screw you Australian economy. Your not getting my hard earned kablingy.
12345
Dec 4, 2009 6:08 PM
game and consoles are still seen as a toy unlike movies but I can see why adult gamers are annoyed because we'd like to say that we can think for ourselves. Games are now hitting the realm of mature content and becoming increasingly lifelike and thus a review is long overdue.

We're no longer talking an 8 bit mario gaming but an eco system of entertainment. I doubt kids can pay to play half of these games without the help of an adult. I know If i were to have young kids they definitely wont be getting their hands on mature like games unless I know whats in it.

the system is flawed as it doesnt give enough credit to the parents of these kids and the adults who play them - I think that pisses me off more than the actual game that gets banned. Having said that AVP looks great :D as predator has been a favourite of mine since my mum let me hire it out as a kid ;)
Bundywow
Dec 4, 2009 6:37 PM
How inconsistent is this system?
I could pay someone to commit suicide in wow.
I could plant live explosives on children in fallout 1 and 2 and stand back as i watched them explode into a million pieces..
I could blood skid on peoples faces in every GTA except GTA4.
I could stab people in their eyes in just about every FPS that has a melee weapon.
Locational damage?? Anyone remember Soldier of Fortune?
This is a joke...
Martyr
Dec 4, 2009 7:26 PM
thats it...off to the angry dome
Tezlin
Dec 4, 2009 8:19 PM
Quick, let's make a petition and get angry!
spannerman
Dec 4, 2009 10:55 PM
Isn't great to see the leaders of this country listen to the voting public ,i think not. I see that it's okay to view any movie or tv series on dvd{True Blood or Inglorious Bastards}.I thought we had a democracy here in Australia seems like we don't.Well thanks a lot ,seems like people may source this content anyway possible all you did was remove some the profits that would have gone to a deserving game developer.Thanks again from another disgruntled 39yr old gamer.
Bundywow
Dec 5, 2009 12:58 AM
I just cant help but feel that a RC system instead of R18 rating shows how deeply they misunderstand the audience they are trying to control. We are living in a time when a 12 year old can pull this game form a torrent faster then Atkinson could download and install the torrent client. When laws are this out of touch they are ineffective, any gamer who wants to play this game in Australia still can and still will and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
tantryl
Dec 5, 2009 2:02 AM
@Martyr - http://www.ttek.com.au/crap/angrydome.mp3
meta4
Dec 5, 2009 2:53 AM
This is getting truely pathetic, it's a bloody video game ffs. Anyone in Qld who hasn't signed the petition, get to it.
piquet8
Dec 5, 2009 5:42 AM
So Mr Atkinson is sitting back and congratulating himself on yet another game banned.... he has quoted himself as saying.... i dont really care what the rest of the country thinks.. i am representing my own constituency and they do not like video games of this type so go... bleep bleep yourself... and yet his decisions have an effect on the entire country.. did he not say?? i dont really care what the rest of the country thinks, run against me in my constituency or shut up. So he has decided that his very very small, part of the country is representative of the entire country and his decisions should be based solely on what they would want for everyone else in the country... how can one individual who shows such a blatant bias be allowed to make decisions that have an effect on the entire country?? ... is there something wrong here...
piquet8
Dec 5, 2009 5:42 AM
So Mr Atkinson is sitting back and congratulating himself on yet another game banned.... he has quoted himself as saying.... i dont really care what the rest of the country thinks.. i am representing my own constituency and they do not like video games of this type so go... bleep bleep yourself... and yet his decisions have an effect on the entire country.. did he not say?? i dont really care what the rest of the country thinks, run against me in my constituency or shut up. So he has decided that his very very small, part of the country is representative of the entire country and his decisions should be based solely on what they would want for everyone else in the country... how can one individual who shows such a blatant bias be allowed to make decisions that have an effect on the entire country?? ... is there something wrong here...
rankor
Dec 5, 2009 8:37 AM
I don't know why they bother. If gamers want to play a banned game all they need to do is torrent the banned version. Their decision will just create more piracy IMO. They should realize that this will happen and bring in the 18+ restriction on the basis that we will be playing these banned games if we really want anyway.
fr3nzystrikesback
Dec 5, 2009 1:28 PM
Oh well, yet another game I'll probably torrent. How old is Atkinson now? Shouldn't be long before he either kicks the bucket or retires right?

I'm kind of hoping the former... gory and sexually depraved. The irony would be delicious.
signaltone
Dec 5, 2009 3:50 PM
Looks like I'll just be pirating this one, then. Obviously 'freedom' is a subjective term. These OFLC people aren't that bright, are they?

Sure, it's just a game --but these morons don't seem to understand the larger implication here.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 6, 2009 11:40 AM
I find it hilarious how many people say they're going to pirate the game because of this. Any excuse to score a free game, right?

There's more than one way to get a legit copy, FYI.
Bundywow
Dec 6, 2009 7:04 PM
Cyb3r if that's what you think then you are out of touch big time.. If you think all they do is sit and wait for a game to be RC'd then pirate it but buy literally all other games that year your a moron.. Guess what you order from overseas its going to arrive 5 days later then launch date (more if it lies over a weekend or public holiday)you will have to pay shipping and has the possibility of being confiscated OR you could DL it same day or 1-2 days after launch.. Sheer convenience alone can make DLing it more attractive then importing.. I have no intent of playing this game but I'm sick of hearing that argument because it simply is not the case.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 6, 2009 8:44 PM
Not out of touch, just observant. If downloading that game is a-OK, then get it from Steam. Problem solved.
Kirgan
Dec 6, 2009 10:24 PM
Deta, please try to speak english, not wooty txt bollocks - lack of education and spelling skills do not help our cause. I'm happy to edit your posts before you send them.
majestic975
Dec 7, 2009 10:14 AM
What can I say, this just makes me want the game even more, now that I cant get it legally here. I will be IMPORTING it just because I'm making my own personal decision about it, dont need the Govt to make that decision for me, so my hard earned dollars will now go overseas. Great way to help our economy OFLC. Get with the times ! As TAX PAYING Adults we NEED TO BE ABLE to make our own decisions on what we play. There are always ways around things like this, so if someone uder the age of 18 wants to play the game, they will PLAY THE GAME. Its the way the world works, whether the OFLC likes it or not.
pwarren
Dec 7, 2009 10:25 AM
It seems sega is not going to pander to Australia's ridiculous classification scheme, which is actually pretty awesome :)

“Rebellion is disappointed that its upcoming title Aliens vs. Predator has been banned in Australia. However, as we understand the law in that country the authorities had no choice as we agree strongly that our game is not suitable for game players who are not adults.”

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/12/rebellion-refuses-to-sanitise-avp-for-australian-release/
mattnelson
Dec 7, 2009 11:39 AM
There are a few folks in here that get it, but most are jumping on the old "Bash the OFLC" bandwagon again. If we are going to be mature and deal in facts, let's call it what it is. "Banned" is a different kettle of fish than "Refused Classification". Don't blame the OFLC for having their hands tied. The same folk rate films at 'R' and 'X' so I'm fairly positive it's not their fault.

I know the word banned will grab a few more readers, but I thought atomicans were treated with a little more respect than this? Maybe I am underestimating the intellectual capacity of the atomic readership these days?

It worries me that simply because a particular game is not available (right or wrong) there are many advocates of the "stuff it, I'll just pirate the game" school of thought (right or wrong). We seem to be 'evolving' into an incredibly impatient and impetuous society. Maybe these fangled videos and computer thingy's really have had a negative effect on us ;-)
ColonelSanders
Dec 7, 2009 12:46 PM
OLFC can get fucked!
mattnelson
Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM
Wow! Thanks for your input. Such an incisive and well argued point ;-)
alex8337
Dec 7, 2009 5:43 PM
RRRRRRAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEE
index680i
Dec 8, 2009 12:20 AM
I'm fucking pissed.

I was so looking forward to this game.

Whats wrong, a bit of predator penis and a bit of alien vagina? ffs stupid fucking.... you get the point.
majestic975
Dec 8, 2009 8:34 AM
The OFLC are simply doing their job guys, wheter we like it or not. We need to get the attorney general to change the law regarding the 18+ ratings for games, which seems to be impossible as they're old guys who probably still play board games, so dont like our chances. For the time being just import any banned games, until our politicians wake up to themselves.
Jonsey301
Dec 8, 2009 10:31 AM
oh well. i'm sure it isn't too hard to buy the game overseas and have it shipped here. The only annoying thing about it all will be there probably won't be any servers in australia. But then that what lans are for. But good on sega for not giving in to the oflc. I mean isn't that level of violence sorta what the whole alien vs predetor is about. We need a r18+ rating but i really think that the games that are rated r18 should be held in the back of the store (and not advertised about at the store) and only to be bought out request when someone want to buy it. I think that would stop most of the kids seeing the game and telling there rating ignoring parents to buy it for them. As i can't see it mentioned anywhere here just thought i'd remind all the angry people about the patition (http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/EPetitions_qld/CurrentEPetition.aspx?PetNum=1346&lIndex=-1). Take your anger out on it by signing it and getting everyone you know to sign it. It is at 5000 and i think we will need a few more to make them think about giving us a r18+ rating
index680i
Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM
@majestic975

I ignore your post with a passion and a sense of knowing that the OFLC are complete fuck tarts.
qwakqwak
Dec 8, 2009 2:37 PM
Can the game really be that graphic? Are there screenshots of the carnage anywhere?

I've played a multitude of games that had decapitation, stabbing, shooting, limb removal, burning, etc...

And yes I agree with you majestic there isn't much the OFLC can do until we get a R18+ rating legalized.
Hawkeye
Dec 8, 2009 3:27 PM
@index

1. What's a fuck tart? Sounds salty.

2. Majestic is in fact correct.
qwakqwak
Dec 8, 2009 4:22 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Australians-for-R18-Games/192140334332?ref=nf

become a fan
Nchalada
Dec 8, 2009 8:58 PM
Ok, so whats wrong with this game then? Anyone remember AvP2? Ooh, look! Tropheys with the Predator by ripping skulls and spines out. Ooh, look! Impalement by the tail of the Alien, or by the wrist blades of the Predator. Ooh, look! Depictions of violence by shooting a victim of the Alien's "babies" (face huggers) as a Marine
index680i
Dec 9, 2009 2:37 AM
@Hawkeye.

1. A yummy treat or just some random word I made up :P

2. OFLC are doing their jobs by being C*#ts
mattnelson
Dec 9, 2009 10:33 AM
With comments like these, all you are doing is strengthening the argument for the case "against" an R rating. Majestic is taking the right approach, in fact the only approach that will get you anywhere.

Any casual observer of mainstream media will tell you this issue doesn't rate a mention. At the moment the average Australian doesn't care if the majority of gamers are in their 30s. That's not their fault, it's up to the interested parties (i.e. the gamers) to educate people and change that perception.
I had a quick ask around the office here and not a single person (out of about 30) had any idea that most gamers are adults, or that there is any issue at all regarding R rated games. In fact most of them assumed the rating existed already.

If you want the situation changed you have to lobby relentlessly (i.e. hard yakka), gain the media coverage and swing the perceptions of the average punter around. Only then will you swing the political weight to try and force a change. Name calling, verbal abuse and whining on a forum will get you nowhere.
Hawkeye
Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM
Well bloody said, mattnelson.

To anyone whose first reaction is name-calling, or threats of violence, or anything else counterproductive to actually getting stuff done - stop it. You're not helping anyone.

If you want to help, write to your local member of parliament; start a petition; start supporting a political party that's for an R18 rating. Or do nothing.

But do STOP proving Atkinson's point by showing gamers to be immature, violence-obsessed malcontents.
xtort
Dec 9, 2009 12:57 PM
Yet they release AvP in the movies!!!!!!! Twice!!!!!!!!! and with a directors cut on DVD!!!!!! A bit backward me thinks the board is.
If anyone wants me ill be sitting on the angry chair!
Hawkeye
Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM
Remember the big claim that the board makes, though - that watching it is one thing, while taking part in it is another.

Truth is, I don't think this should be an MA15 game - that's why we need the R18 rating, so games like this can come out uncut.
mattnelson
Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM
I agree xtort, it seems weird that we can have 'ultra-violent' films and yet 'ultra-violent' games are without a rating of their own. Unfortunately real life is not always fair, and hoping for a world devoid of double standards is an ideal based in a utopian fantasy land. We have to deal with the real world to get what we want and no amount of annoyance will change that. ;-)

I should declare my hand here and state that I am an active, avid and informed PC gamer who has no interest in seeing an 'R' rating for games. As a father of two, I would genuinely like to see some proper research conducted on the effects of violent media on children, but until that happens I remain sceptical that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I agree, the double standard is silly... and I've proposed in these very forums before that maybe we should bin the 'R' rating for movies to make it a level playing field.

*runs into flame proof bunker*
*pokes head out*
Yes I am actually serious.
*ducks*

Seehund and I have discussed this issue many times and it always cycles around to the point where we agree to disagree (because we are both stubborn bastards) and reach for another beer, something we can both agree on! :-) We also both agree that a lot more credible research needs to be done.

Hawkeye: I am also curious about the potential difference in psychological and/or emotional experience due to the level of interactivity in a game compared to a film.
seehund
Dec 9, 2009 2:46 PM
Going to have to disagree with you on the idea of removing the film "R" rating though fella...no way known some shmucko from Canberra is going to stop me from watching my choice of fillums!

Example - one of my favourites is Full Metal Jacket...rated R18+. Apocalypse Now? R18+.
seehund
Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM
Actually...you can add True Blood (TV), Skins (TV), and even the uncut version of the comedy The Hangover.

Seriously, if these films and TV show, all of which are mainstream and for the most part appear on free to air TV are available to the mouth-breathing masses, why then not the games?

Makes no sense any way you look at it.
orcone
Dec 9, 2009 3:07 PM
FUCKING MLC
WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS
WE SHOULD BOMBED HIM
CrazyTim
Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM
LOL. Gamers VS politicians eh. This is going to be UGLY ;)

Don't use fowl language. Don't bring up the "my-freedom-to-do-what-I-want" argument 'cose they have theirs as well. And don't reproduce. Please.

(just joking on that last one; but seriously, Australia needs to be more careful what they let their kids play on computers.... nuff said)
0s1r1s
Dec 9, 2009 8:22 PM
Fine, I'll buy it overseas then. Screw the OFLC and that cretin Atkinson.

We WILL get an 18 rating - even if it means disgracing a few idiotic politicians.
Sxio
Dec 9, 2009 9:47 PM
To be honest, I don't know if this being banned is that bad a thing. Do we really need to see (and do) all that to be entertained?

Where does it stop? What's the point where we'll all be saying "that should definitely be censored. I DON'T need to see that".

I still would've bought this game. It sounds really good. But I play adult games (i am an adult) and I don't really see the need for them to get more violent and realistic in a gruesome way. It just desensitises us. Which is a bad thing I think.

I loved the movies, but I've been pl
Sxio
Dec 9, 2009 10:00 PM
aying dragonage and it doesn't go into massive detail, but is still entertaining.
LogicprObe
Dec 10, 2009 11:44 PM
I'm surprised they haven't made a Clockwork Orange game yet!
iruss71
Dec 19, 2009 8:51 AM
Why don't they Ban all WARS??
I hear thats quite violent!
I guess playing these types of game was why Hitler went mad!
seehund
Dec 19, 2009 7:41 PM
Not any more!

Sega won on appeal and it's being released unmodified under MA15+

FTW!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96958-Aliens-vs-Predator-Unbanned-in-Australia
Seloh
Dec 21, 2009 2:56 PM
Overturned and now been rated as a MA15+ when even the developer says should only be for adults

way to go OFLC :) 15 years enjoy your skull ripping of shoulders action
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