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Google warns Australia over filtering

By David Hollingworth
11:02 Mar 24, 2010 | 17 Comments
Tags: google | net | filtering | news
Google warns Australia over filtering

Essential linkage: Google sides with Reporters Without Borders over Senator Conroy's net filtering plans.

It might be odd to look to an American news site for essentially Australian news, but Ars Technica does such a good job with this piece that we had to share.

Google, it appears, is more than a little leary of the upcoming net filtering plan, as was recently made plain following the release of documents after a public consultation on the scheme. Google's response is here, and it fascinating reading. Ars agrees:

"Australia is rightly regarded as a liberal democracy that balances individual liberty with social responsibility," continues the Google filing. "The Governments of many other countries may justify, by reference to Australia, their use of filtering, their lack of disclosure about what is being filtered, and their political direction of agencies administering filtering."

Google is unlikely to come right out and compare Australia to China, but the implication is obvious-and has been made explicit by other groups. Reporters Without Borders said recently that Australia would "be joining an Internet censors' club that includes such countries as China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia."

The article goes on to neatly summarise the scheme's history and the pros and cons. It's a great piece of writing, and well worth reading.

 
 
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17 Comments
fliptopia
Mar 24, 2010 1:16 PM
i reckon an opt out filter which sticks to blocking kiddie porn would be fine. you can't publish the pages filtered though or else you are just giving out a free directory of kiddie porn pages. it should let you know why a page is blocked too so if there is a mistaken block you know where the problem is.
sirtrancealot
Mar 24, 2010 2:37 PM
thats basically what's happening in NZ at the moment, equally hush hush, but at least it's opt-in, not a blanket block to every internet user in the country.
with Atkinson gone, we can only hope that Conroy is next on the list, and both this and the whole R18 thing get some serious and constructive rethinking.
xFOADx
Mar 24, 2010 5:29 PM
stupid government, it is about free speech, encyclopedia dramatica, safe drug use, euthanasia sites and more all to be blocked. Kiddie porn is illegal and blocking it is like throwing a sheet over a murder scene and saying it is dealt with.
philo-sofa
Mar 24, 2010 7:03 PM
Yeah, I'm less dead-set against the NZ version, however news isn't neatly deliniated on the interwebs as it is in broadcast or print media, and as a result I think we can construct a pretty good argument for it being a slippery slope/thin end of a wedge. Over time if we accept this I think it's likely we'll end up with a truly censored internet :(
SceptreCore
Mar 24, 2010 8:18 PM
I think that child pornography shouldn't be blocked. I think that world governments need a cooperative organised strategy to hunt down these sites and rain down hell on those perverted low life's who inhumanely exploit children, and those who can't defend themselves. Surely the power of governments combined with ISP's and search engine companies could bring about an effective measure to combat these scum.
fliptopia
Mar 25, 2010 12:26 AM
xFOADx: It wouldn't solve the problem but if you get kiddie porn sites that frequently get hits, then you will likely get the ones people get to by mistake and at least lessen the chance of people finding them. Having police hasn't erradicated crime but imagine the alternative.But any filter has to have an opt out at the least. If they choose an opt out, those who do will most likely be monitored more closely for illegal activity.
Guset
Mar 25, 2010 11:32 AM
And yet the question still remains.. Why are those websites still online??? There are authorities, police, FBI, CIA, you name it and they can't take offline those sites? Are you kidding me?
It is like busting the drug users instead of the drug dealers all over again...
Besides highly illegal content has been trafficked via satellite technology for years now. What are they gonna do next, ban mobiles phones? What a load of crap. Instead of fighting the disease they are fighting the symptoms.
Rade
Mar 25, 2010 3:00 PM
The problem with the censoring here in Australia is that what Conroy (the moron) is trying to do won't be achieved since CP is sent P2P. Also, it's not just banning RC (refused Classification) sites, it anything that is deemed 'inappropriate' by the government which could be anything

Google don't have to censor anything since this is being done through the ISPs.
Trekker
Mar 25, 2010 3:19 PM
looks like we are going to go like china. Sooner they bring this in the gov will be happy. Because from then on if the government doesn't like to they can filter it out.

I live in a free county , i can look at what ever i like .
(though child porn or other things like that should be chased down, there are other ways)
xFOADx
Mar 25, 2010 3:49 PM
Guset, many of the sites on the blacklist feature girls over 18yo. Under Australian law pornography featuring women who look underage is illegal, under US law it is not.
Australian censors have recently started to RC flat chested women saying it is too much like CP.
Fetishes are ruled RC. Fetishes include bondage, female ejaculation & HAIRY PUSSIES !!!!!!!. Women who dont shave or wax now is considered a fetish and depictions of it can be banned under Australian censorship law.

The Melbourne producer of abbeywinters.com which is mostly Melbourne girls is facing serious criminal charges because it is ILLEGAL to produce X rated porn in Victoria, and some of it may include light fetishes which is ILLEGAL to sell in Australia as it is RC.

ALL RC content will be mandatorily blocked. Which as in my other post will include things like encyclopedia dramatica and rotten.com.
Welcome to the prudish fundamental nanny state of Australia.
Guset
Mar 25, 2010 4:16 PM
xFOADx: unfortunately this is looking even worse than China. But hold on, WHO are these people that vote those things and pass those laws? Did we vote for them? How are they doing it? Why can't we fight back? All these years they are "fighting" the Taliban regime because of exactly the same laws and views!! And now they want to do the same here in Australia! What they are basically doing is shedding soldier's blood in Middle East for nothing.
Next thing, US will be invading Australia to fight our Taliban views and look for weapons of mass destruction (lol).
Harpy Queen
Mar 27, 2010 10:37 AM
The stupidest thing about the damn filter is that proxies will get around it, so people will still get the stuff they are trying to block, and it'll really slow down everyones net. I am with optus, they trialled it. I, and other people on optus, instantly noticed our Internet being really slow compared to normal. Pretty stupid to build a really expensive new broadband network, but put on a filter to make it slow.
fliptopia
Mar 28, 2010 10:42 AM
Short of invading another country what more can the FBI, CIA et al do to stop a site running out of country that wont enforce laws to protect children? I'm not for the current filter at all, but a filter of only the bad violation of human rights (in particular childrens rights) may help. Ideally you wouldn't need to filter it because you shut them down but it just wont happen.

Oh and xFOADx, I know you are just giving examples of policy you disagree with, but you should be careful about linking to porn sites...
Harpy Queen
Mar 28, 2010 5:27 PM
I do support blocking material that violates human rights, but I don't think it'll work. I've been going around school filters for years, I don't see what they are gonna do to make it work. Their stupid policy of women with small breasts looking under age is just wrong. I'm not into porn at all, but I think that as long as it's all consenting adults it's ok. When I was a 15 year old with small breasts people thought I was 18. Clearly not a commonly used measure of age there. I don't know any girls with normal or large sizes that got that, only other girls with small.
keza
Mar 28, 2010 11:07 PM
oh good don't lower ourselves to China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, who is running this country. no more of this bullshit political correctness someone has got to take the senator out, any mercenaries for hire?
appleapple
Mar 31, 2010 11:30 PM
Mark Webber states something that is obvious to those of us living in Australia. We are living in a nanny state

Day by day, knee-jerk legislation by knee-jerk legislation commonsense and freedom are being eroded.
Look at the child abuse case that the Queensland police took against Chris Illingworth when he republished a training film for a Russian circus family

Criminal activity, will that include graffiti painting?
Philip Ruddock banned a game because of it. Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure.
How about Hollywood movies that show and demonstrate illegal activity.
There will be prescriptive censorship creep. If we ban this - then we must ban that

Australia our ideals: A safe, cotton-wool, ideas free society

Webber quote: It's a great country, but we've got to be responsible for our actions and it's certainly a bloody nanny state when it comes to what we can do
I think we've got to read an instruction book when we get out of bed - what we can do and what we can't do
Awatif
Jun 4, 2010 1:45 AM
Ifor me i would support blocking material that violates human rights, and it harmfull for children or all problem behaind the copy right morover that child pornography should be blocked. I think that world governments need a cooperative organised strategy to hunt down these sites and rain down hell on those perverted low life's who inhumanely exploit children, and those who can't defend themselves. Surely the power of governments combined with ISP's and search engine companies could bring about an effective measure to combat these scum but It may not solve the problem but if you get kiddie porn sites that frequently get hits, then you will likely get the ones people get to by mistake and at least lessen the chance of people finding them. or by police
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