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AMD Phenom II X6 might pose a threat to Intel Core i7

By The Inquirer
10:14 Apr 29, 2010 | 8 Comments
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AMD Phenom II X6 might pose a threat to Intel Core i7

Analysis: Could AMD be catching up to Intel in the CPU stakes?

AMD has announced its Phenom II X6 line this week, one wonders how AMD's latest line of x86 desktop processors will compete against the current performance leader, the Intel Core i7 980X, as well as its more reasonably priced mainstream LGA1156 socket siblings including the Core i7 880 and 875K.

You already know the specs of AMD's latest desktop chip. It's still fabbed on the 45nm process and six cores share 6MB of joint L3 on-die cache while their own individual 512KB L2 caches are still using the 'exclusive' approach with data in L2 not copied into L3.

That approach has its pros and cons. The plus point is that a total of 9MB of data can be stored in the combined six L2 plus one L3 cache for increased total cache capacity, and the minus point is that, whenever one CPU core needs some data from other CPU cores, it might have to search for it across all the other L2 caches plus the L3 cache, and then go to main memory if not found. Of course, improved search algorithms can cut the penalty quite a bit, but not totally.

In the case of Intel chips with their "inclusive" cache approach, the smaller 256KB L2 per-core cache contents for each CPU are all also copied to the shared L3 cache. For the 3.33GHz Core i7 980X, that's not a problem at all since it has a huge 12MB L3 cache. The benefit here is that, whatever data is required by any core beyond its own local cache, just one search in the shared L3 cache is required before going to main memory if needed.

In this case, the performance benefit for either side will depend on the application, but mostly Intel's approach errs on the side of larger total cache and fewer search hops, as latency benefits come into play.

Now, the Phenom II X6 die seemingly has more in common with AMD's latest dual die "Magny Cours" 12-core and single die "Lisbon" six core Opteron server chips than the earlier "Istanbul" six core DDR2-only Opteron server chips. The Phenom II X6 is expected to have the same core throughput enhancements as Magny Cours and Lisbon, as well as, of course, native DDR3-1600 dual channel memory support and a HyperTransport 3.1 link to the chipset at a full 6.4 Gigatransfers/sec speed, matching Intel's Quick Path Interconnect (QPI) link.

At launch, the fastest Phenom II X6 part is the 1090 model at 3.2GHz speed, even though a lot of preliminary benchmarks were done on the 3GHz 1075 and 2.8GHz 1060 parts. Ignoring the "Turbo" from both sides, as well as Intel multithreading, this now comes to within 5 per cent of the fastest Intel part's clock speed. However, Intel's parts do have a noticeable clock-for-clock performance advantage over AMD's previous Phenom chips, and Intel's six-core Westmere chips managed to widen that gap further.

 
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8 Comments
tunksy
Apr 29, 2010 12:27 PM
cpu arena is getting a little more competitve now, if amd transition these chips to 32nm that'd be a good win. again intel could just release a new 32nm quad for 1156 or 1366 though :P
Mudg3
Apr 29, 2010 2:40 PM
Hot stuff.
SceptreCore
Apr 29, 2010 3:55 PM
Why does The Inquirer write articles on what they 'think' might happen. It never happens the way we think it will.
jetbuster
Apr 29, 2010 4:17 PM
na I reckon it will stack up to the I5 and only get very far in programs that detected all 6 threads
iruss71
May 1, 2010 9:22 PM
I have a soft spot for AMD!
fliptopia
May 1, 2010 11:18 PM
me too iruss71, if all things are equal i would loiekly uy one again but I have an I7 now.
Athlonite
May 2, 2010 8:23 PM
the likely hood of these posing a threat to Intels core i7 is about the same as me spontaneously growing a third nut, arm, eye, nipple take your pick Don't get me wrong I'm an AMD boi all the way, BUT saying that i've been very dissapointed in AMD's offerings of late if you look purely at a price point AMD rules but go purely for performance and the clear winner is Intel.... come AMD put out something that kicks Intels butt again just like you did in the days of Athlonx64
smeeforAMD
Jun 12, 2010 1:41 AM
Finally AMD can hold there heads high.
Long live the the ATHLON!
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