Thursday May 24, 2012 11:44 PM AEST

More cases of Real ID/Blizzard fallout

By David Hollingworth
14:01 Jul 8, 2010 | 27 Comments
Tags: blizzard | real | id | battle.net | world | of | warcraft | diablo | iii | starcraft | ii | gaming | news
More cases of Real ID/Blizzard fallout

Blizzard employees and others tracked down in an impressive display of how dangerous real names can be.

Yesterday saw a real blizzard of discontent launched online as game make Blizzard announced its Real ID service would force all posts on its forums to be made under real names. 1100 pages of complaint in one thread alone later (not counting the related threads on Blizz's forums, or the many other fora out there) and the hate for the move is still growing.

As we said in our report on it yesterday, in theory, we support the idea. It's meant to make the forums a more accountable space, where you can't create an alt to hide douchebaggery behind (which can be an issue even on our small forums at times). But it's also a move that depends on the goodwill and maturity of all users.

Blizzard made a good attempt at defending the move to start with, especially in one thread asking if Blizz employees would be posting under the rule. One blue poster (how employees are set apart on the forums) stated it would be the case, and even ponied up his real name as a show of good faith.

Which lead to him - or, arguably more worrying, someone with his name - being tracked down. Address, name of parents, hobbies, etc etc. He's since closed down his Facebook page, and has been quiet since. In fact, there's not been a lot of Blizzard response at all in the last 12 hours - even our attempt to get some kind of official comment on our concerns over being a journalist and how that will work have gone unanswered. Other people are raising similar job-based concerns, the most pressing we've seen so far being a teacher not wanting to be tracked down by students. Fair enough, too.

Other folks have played the stalking game too, though mostly so far to illustrate the issues with having one's name so blatantly displayed. On the blog 'what you did there; i see it', the blogger took up one forum poster's challenge to track down his work number and call him.

Twenty minutes later he got the call, and was told "I know your parents' names are Name1 and Name2, I know your room is painted blue and I know you have a cute dog. I know where you were on the 4th of July and I know when you got back." 

The blogger apologised, and the poster certainly gets it. "Hey, I did basically ask for it - thank you," he said in response. "I was wrong about RealID."

Perhaps we are too. It's an idea only as good as those who'll be forced to use it - and relying on goodwill and maturity from random netizens can be a dodgy prospect at the best of times.

 
 
Aliens: Colonial Marines in depth; Z-77 Motherboard round-up; strategy gaming special; Home Server tutorial. PLUS MUCH MORE - ON SALE NOW!
27 Comments
alex8337
Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM
Someone is going to sue blizzard
alex8337
Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM
Someone is going to sue blizzard
alex8337
Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM
Someone is going to sue blizzard
alex8337
Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM
didnt mean to tripple post, internet lagged and i clicked a few times :/
Hawkeye
Jul 8, 2010 3:06 PM
I could fix it... but it is pretty funny!
Josho
Jul 8, 2010 3:21 PM
yep that post about sharing digital item "X" and not getting it back, so the lender tracked them down and killed them isn't looking so far fetched now.
shmelse
Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM
"It's meant to make the forums a more accountable space, where you can't create an alt to hide douchebaggery behind (which can be an issue even on our small forums at times)."

The problem is that pretty clearly isn't their intent. If they wanted to make the forums more accountable, they could have forced players to use one handle for all their posts. That would have stopped the alt-posting while allowing us to maintain our game personas.

Blizz didn't choose to do this because this isn't actually about fixing the forums. In fact, as a Blizz dev responded, "we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that."

How can a fix to the forums be to simply drive people away? And not just trolls. I'm not a troll. I am, however, female, a gamer, an unusual-name-haver, and just-graduated eventual professional.

I want to post without being constantly being harassed for being female. I want to post without all 11 million WoWers knowing my name, my salary, and my parents' address. I want to apply for jobs in the future and not be turned down once my boss finds my arguments about whether 4 piece T9 is worthwhile.

Blizzard doesn't care about the forums. Blizzard wants us to switch to Real IDs because of an integration deal they made with facebook: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html?100505

I don't want to give my money to a company who is willing to compromise my identity and my safety for their bottom line.

Finally, thank you, atomic, for letting us post anonymously.
Mademan
Jul 8, 2010 3:24 PM
Something tells me this has something to do with the Chinease Government, and permitting WoW to be played overseas? They certainly wouldn't be averse to it, after the webcam policy was put in place.
Hawkeye
Jul 8, 2010 3:27 PM
Except for the fact that you can't actually share items like that in WoW - there's an awful lot of FUD being spread over this as well as legitimate concerns.
fr3nzystrikesback
Jul 8, 2010 3:58 PM
Why do I get the feeling that this is at the urging of the Activision side of Blizzard...?
nesquick
Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM
why do I get the feeling that names like mohamid, osama ect as an alternative to a real name is about to become much more popular.
N3M3SiS
Jul 8, 2010 5:16 PM
Really? I have to be the arsehole?

"Blizzard employees and others tracked down in an impressive display if how dangerous real names can be."

OF HOW...
Hawkeye
Jul 8, 2010 5:21 PM
See, if I had your real name I could track you down and beat you death with an OED :)

Hmm, maybe we should follow Blizz...
ArcaneMagik
Jul 8, 2010 6:33 PM
My Canadian friend on WoW owns too many guns for anyone to dare and try to track him down.
Karmicfloss
Jul 8, 2010 10:21 PM
Maybe because Robert Kotick is a a dumbshit who hates gamers?
Tythais
Jul 8, 2010 10:49 PM
You can't really call him a dumbshit considering how good a CEO he is, activision have been making incredible amounts of money. His focus just isn't gamers, it's shareholders.

I don't mind giving blizzard my name for identification, but i'd want it to be hidden from general users... like on most forums.
sinistercat
Jul 9, 2010 1:49 AM
Friend of mine passed this new site along to me, might be worth keeping an eye on.

stopblizzrealid.org

Supposedly its a group of gamers who are looking to take legal action against Blizz for this garbage =P
somemadcaaant
Jul 9, 2010 1:17 PM
A. Maybe Blizzard (sick of licking their monitors and rubbing up cardboard cut outs) is just full of stalkers waiting to jump at the chance this comes into play....

B. Possibly a culling technique, Blizzard might want to reduce the subscriptions down by a large margin, some WOW players may have to find something else to do with their 60+ hrs of play time per week...

C. Maybe they got sick of Mums taking them to court once a week for kids inserting remotes up the behind!
Metasynaptic
Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM
I swapped my realId with some friends on wow. They said ' Gee, I didn't know your 'real' name was 'Meta Synaptic'.
Demonic
Jul 9, 2010 4:18 PM
I like the real name, great idea pity it will be pulled

I spose the general population of WOW are considered hardcore nerds so merely demonstrating there superiority

And really lets get this straight most of the people who got tracked down have public facebook profiles. So Blizzard isn't really the issue it's facebook

Run and email or name through Facebook and you can normally see all those details
Bundy 2.0
Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM
I support real ID 100%.
Blizzard has no obligation to your safety or to police the internet. They have an obligation to run their forums how they see fit and if you don't like it don't post. It isn't blizzards fault if people choose to abuse a system and perhaps even break the law.
Should I not sign up for indoor soccer on week nights because I have to register with my real name which would be available to all other people playing? Furthermore does the indoor sports center have an obligation to allow me to play under a false name so I can act however I like for the sake of some random chance a third party wants to abuse that information somehow?
somemadcaaant
Jul 9, 2010 4:42 PM
Bundy, you would make a good town crier, you just need a few more thy'ses, thus’eses, thine’ses, hast'ses and thou'ses in your sentenceseseseses.
It this your image? http://www.alnwickdevelopmenttrust.org.uk/assets/images/projects/Town%20Crier1.jpg
somemadcaaant
Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM
Bundy, It's cool, once u have your Blizzard account setup I'll track u soon enough, all your dirty details, make a character profile of you and know your every move, sell your details for profit and if your female the profit will scale exponentially as I sell more of your info, not forgetting your family’s and friends to greedy cartels.

Then of course comes the stalkers, the petty thieves that know your every move, then spam and junk male to your door and every inbox, work place a brothel u visit.

“rubs my grubby mitts together with a gleam in my smile”
somemadcaaant
Jul 9, 2010 4:52 PM
Mail even! must be overboard Friday.
Metasynaptic
Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM
Bundy is clearly off beam here.

In your local soccer comp, if you rip off your fellow team members by looting the team locker and selling all the boots and shorts on ebay, you will be found and quickly given an Atomic(tm) wedgie.

The ninja'ing of guild banks should continue to be protected by anonimity. Ftw.


31imin8r
Jul 11, 2010 9:06 PM
Just wanted to update everyone on this issue, Mike Morhaime (the CEO and co-founder of Blizzard Entertainment) just sent the following letter out, via the community team (Basically they have taken real names out from the forums) sorry if this has already been posted:

"Hello everyone,

I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.

It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as the ability to rate posts up or down, post highlighting based on rating, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.

I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.

In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.

Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment"

Original Post here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1

Obviously a lot of support over this dission, and rightfully so... Now off you all go, time to start trolling the Dreadmaul Forums
31imin8r
Jul 11, 2010 9:08 PM
Umm and excuse my spelling of the word Decision
Comments have been disabled on this article.
 
Atomic Magazine

Issue: 137 | June, 2012

Atomic is a magazine aimed squarely at computer enthusiasts, gamers, and serious PC upgraders.

Every month we bring you the latest reviews of new technology and PC components, in depth features on everything from overclocking to console hacking, and gaming previews and interviews.
 
Latest Comments
 
Latest User Reviews
Battlefield 3 is the new benchmark online FPS
90%
A very fun and realistic multiplayer ride.
 
Antec Kuhler 920 - liquid cool
90%
Antec Kuhler 920 silent but effientive out of the box no maintence water cooling kit
 
Antec's Lanboy Air - our new favourite case
90%
Antec Lan boy Air in red a very cool design
 
Antec's Lanboy Air - our new favourite case
90%
This product overall is awesome.
 
MSI's GT780 laptop as fast as it gets
90%
Nice laptop