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PC gamers: the forgotten demographic

By David Hollingworth
13:06 Oct 20, 2010 | 54 Comments
Tags: pc | gaming | fallout | new | vegas | medal | of | honor | DLC | pchate | news
PC gamers: the forgotten demographic

New DLC announcements for Medal of Honor and Fallout: New Vegas prove that the games industry doesn't care about PC gamers any more...

PC gamers - we're a sorry lot.

For years now we've been watching our position as the cutting edge of gaming get eroded by console dominance. We've suffered the insults of dodgy console ports, annoying "Press Start" screens that have no place on our systems, and cut down graphics options based on lowest common denominator hardware specs. And, now, to add injury to insult, we're simply not getting nearly as much game as the console majority.

Two DLC announcements have dropped over the last 36 hours, for two big new-release games, but us PC gamers aren't going to see squat.

Medal of Honor's about to get a whole new multiplayer game mode, called Clean Sweep. It's an elimination mode, and includes two wholly new maps, as well as two updated versions of already included maps. It really sounds neat, and like it'll make for a non-campy option, since the camp-tastic nature of many of the maps is drawing huge criticisms from the gaming community.

Personally, we don't get it - we're still loving MoH multiplayer. Nonetheless, we'd really like to play that Clean Sweep mode... It's out on a couple of weeks, but only Xbox and PS3.

So, yeah. Boo.

The just released Fallout: New Vegas is also bringing the DLC pain, with news that an as yet undetailed will be coming exclusively to Xbox. So at least we sad PC types can share a consoling drink with PS3 fans - assuming no fights break out at the bar.

So, doubly... Boo.

Which all raises the question of why the PC platform is missing out on the fun. It's not as if it's going to take any real extra effort to release the DLC on PC - after all, the codebase is there, the textures are there, even the players are there and waiting. It's not like the game's are being written from scratch.

It could be a DRM or content control thing, but in the case of the Medal of Honor DLC at least, the new content's free. And is pirated DLC really that much of an issue?

Finally, there's the niggling, conspiratorial worry that it's all part of an evil plan to make us forsake our beloved PCs and migrate to where the content's at. But surely... that can't be the case. Right?

Right?!

Of course, we asked for commentary from our local Bethesda and EA reps, but we're not sanguine of any kind of meaningful response. There's a lot working against getting those kinds of answers out of games companies.

For one thing, local PR is often as kept in the dark as we are when it comes developments in gaming. That, or they're bound to keep mum on certain important points until release dates have passed. Take our recent Medal of Honor launch event - we'd organised confirmed with EA months ahead of the fact that we'd deliver a LAN event for launch, but we weren't told of the lack LAN play until days before the actual event. Similarly, given that most local Australian presences are little more than PR offices reporting to the larger HQs overseas, means that the flow of communication can be a little slow - or even nonexistent.

When the whole Ubisoft DRM thing broke, we sought comment on the matter, but unsurprisingly Ubi wasn't willing to talk. There was some off-the-record chat, but nothing for the public eye. That said, at least there was a dialogue.

Far worse in terms of getting an answer is Activision. Whether it was getting detailed stats on the platform-specific breakdown of Modern Warfare 2 sales, or finding out why there's no Black Ops special edition (the one with the funky remote bomb) on PC, we can never get a straight answer. In some cases, there's no answer at all.

It's like there's some kind of filter that blocks PC-related queries from ever getting anywhere. Perhaps we should be thankful we were able to learn anything at all about Black Ops dedicated server situation!

Lack of answers aside, we're sad to admit that this is likely not going to change any time soon. We're still going to keep pushing for answers, but we're not expecting to suddenly find PC gaming on an equal footing with the console crowd.

Must be all those sweaty metallica fans. What do you guys think?

 
 
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54 Comments
po1s3n
Oct 20, 2010 1:42 PM
i love my PC...but have always enjoyed my Xbox just that little bit more, for reasons exactly like this :S
Metasynaptic
Oct 20, 2010 1:47 PM
I really wished that developers and publishers could find a way to have ongoing recurring revenue, provided the punter with new content, and didn't make my rim hurt all in the same equation.
Negotiator
Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM
Maybe the console manufacturers should bring out keyboards and mouses so then PC gamers can own the console controller fanbois. Just my thoughts.
Ketsu
Oct 20, 2010 2:12 PM
Did I hear correctly that Micro$oft were doing work on getting XBox and PC games to be able to play on the same servers against each other? And that they gave it away because the XBox kiddies were getting owned every time?

I really don't see the reasoning behind the game companies not producing games for PC as well as consoles, a sale is a sale and money in the bank surely.
Devit
Oct 20, 2010 2:12 PM
'mouses' i believe the correct spelling is mice.
yes we pc gamers have been getting colossally shafted many times. Would Uncle torrence have a part to play in it?
pkroeze
Oct 20, 2010 2:15 PM
What needs to happen is when a game comes out on pc only, (which is not often i agree), pc gamers need to throw all there support behind it and make sure the developers want to write games for the pc preferably only.
alexdtree
Oct 20, 2010 2:18 PM
to me it looks more like its only FPS games that are pushing the console hard, the RTS front on a console is non-existent. rather than to neglect PC gamers entirely it seems to me that there is a desire to turn FPS into a console thing and keep RTS as a PC thing,
To me it doesnt seem that bad as that the way i like it,
except for battlefield it is awesome on PC and fails on the box.
Duper
Oct 20, 2010 2:49 PM
I'm pretty much done buying games. MoH is my last full price title. I might buy them used and I might play free modes. (like the Duke Nukem 3D on the UT3 engine) but that's it.

I won't buy a console. I'm not a lemming. and quite frankly to blindly follow the console market when it's plain to see that within 3 years to get anything "decent" you're going to have to allow yourself to be pulled through their knot-hole is pure foolishness.

I'm done. That's how free market works.
bnew
Oct 20, 2010 2:50 PM
You really scared me with the title. Whilst I couldn't care less about MoH these days, anything Fallout is a must buy for me.

From my reading, the DLC for New Vegas will be exclusive for Xbox..at first. A quote from one of the articles:

"Publisher Bethesda has confirmed that the downloadable content for Fallout: New Vegas will be a timed Xbox 360 exclusive, just as it was for Fallout 3."

So, really it isn't a problem. By the time I have played my way through vanilla New Vegas, 'exclusive' DLC will be on PC.

Personally, I usually just buy the GOTY edition to get all of the DLC (even if I already own a copy of the full game it usually works out cheaper).
Darkmatter
Oct 20, 2010 3:32 PM
well I can't understand the delay in dlc for FNV
but for Moh they are still working on patching the game and due to the absolutely archaic dev cycle they can't just patch the game on the fly so adding Dlc will coincide with the next PC patch most likely.
Darkmatter
Oct 20, 2010 3:34 PM
and since the last time the released a time line on a patch and did deliver the patch on time they faced the furry of the internet's (which I'm sure had them all laughing back in the office)
bnew
Oct 20, 2010 3:36 PM
The delay in the DLC for New Vegas is likely less a technical issue and more a keeping-Microsoft-Happy issue ;-)
Hawkeye
Oct 20, 2010 3:41 PM
I hate those internet furries.
psyched
Oct 20, 2010 3:44 PM
Not sure why Nvida or AMD aren't getting behind some of these games, really at the end of the day they're the ones are are missing out on sales. Less games mean less GPU sales.
bnew
Oct 20, 2010 3:45 PM
psyched- I thought that too, but don't Nvidia and AMD get a piece of the console pie anyway? I'm not up on what hwardware is in what console, but I'm pretty sure both big brands are represented.
markand_01
Oct 20, 2010 3:45 PM
consoles and DLC well they can keep it most decent PC games are mod-able and while the lack of attention to PC crowd is worrying games will be developed for PCs for a long time to come at least till consoles have the same versatility as PCs now do, wouldnt make them consoles anymore though :)
fliptopia
Oct 20, 2010 4:31 PM
i pity the fool who played oblivion unmodded on a console
Rage09
Oct 20, 2010 4:38 PM
I'm wondering, along with everyone else, where this is headed. If they are trying to migrate pc gamers to consoles because of piracy issues it wouldn't work. The people who don't buy games still won't, they'd just mod thier console for the price of a game and still pirate.

I'm just glad to hear about the indie developers still making PC games and some of them surprisingly good.
panto
Oct 20, 2010 4:41 PM
If it ever gets that bad, I'm sure someone will make an Xbox/PS3 emulator for the PC :) In fact, wouldn't it be a good idea if Sony or MS sold that kind of software? I don't think the console and PC market overlap that much to cause conflicts. They'd definitely sell more games..
arkiek
Oct 20, 2010 4:59 PM
Most of the time i get bethesda games for Xbox first to play through with no mods and then get it on PC for all the mods and chaos(midas magic for oblivion anyone)
sirtrancealot
Oct 20, 2010 5:00 PM
I certainly won't be buying another console. last one was a PS2 purely for GT4, now it just collects dust.
at least with a 4 year old PC you can still find uses for like a torrent box, or a HTPC/Media Server.
and nasty console ports to PC are just damn insulting!
Sher Khan
Oct 20, 2010 5:09 PM
"Rise of Flight", "DCS A-10 open beta", and the soon (????) to be released "Battle of Britain Storm of War". I don't think us Flight Sim head have ever had it so good! :)

Hawkeye
Oct 20, 2010 5:17 PM
Undoubtedly there are some genres that still totally dominate on PC, flight sims being one of them. In fact, anything largely simulationist in aspect is going to be much better on PC - strategy games like Total War also come to mind.

Then of course there are MMOs. No way us a button heavy game like WoW or LotRO ever going to translate to a cutdown controller.
codecreeper
Oct 20, 2010 6:54 PM
It seems every PC game being released is now getting DLC packs. Kinda makes you wanna upgrade to a console ,there again maybe that is in their motives.

Harpy Queen
Oct 20, 2010 7:35 PM
Negotiator: The consoles already support keyboard (PS2, PS3 (I think, vague memory), 360) and mouse (at least PS2), and at least PS2 can use them in game. It's the games that don't support them.
gun_sl1nger
Oct 20, 2010 7:45 PM
Devit: it's actually either mouses or mice, when you are talking about the peripheral. Look it up in the Oxford or Webster Dictionaries. Unlike the plural or sheep, fish or deer which is the same as the singular. I use *mouses* to deliberately differentiate between a pc peripheral and a filthy little rodent.

As for the topic:

It's a damn shame that the market that drives gpu development misses out on the games that use it.

ThorAxe
Oct 20, 2010 8:16 PM
codecreeper: I think you mean downgrade to a console, after all that's 2005/2006 tech you are talking about.
jdog
Oct 20, 2010 8:40 PM
we need to show devs that the pc needs some lovin...they want to blame piracy and put in DRM that is stupid....well if games started been made Just for the PC then that would get more poeple back into it...also didnt mircosoft say they were planning some big PC only game which is ideal for people who like to upgrade?....its going to take years to get known again....
codecreeper
Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM
Yeah Downgrade ,sorry for that. So in way DLC and Console's are really stopping the PC moving forward into new technologies.

Darkmatter
Oct 20, 2010 9:41 PM
@codecreeper, more a case that consoles are preventing the need for developers to push new tech.

old tech still sells and and with how e3 this yr went down
the 360 and the PS3 most likely have 2yrs of shelf life left before and news on a new console.

Nintendo on the other hand have all their trump card games set for release between 1Q - 3Q leaving a big ? on 4Q releases (most likely be 3DS line ups only)

raising questions on the what's after the Wii for Nintendo and will we see a Tokyo Games Show announcement.
sillysam
Oct 20, 2010 9:48 PM
Totally agree...PC gamers are ripped off all the time,especially on the 'big titles'
BTW I was watching the MOH clean sweep trailer and think that pc might be getting after all,probably just a matter of time

fast forward to around 1:00, clearly states:PRESS LEFT MOUSE BUTTON TO SWITCH PLAYER
http://www.youtube.com/user/machinima#p/c/6656FE6D5A4D6973/0/Hl8a0bhsOtU
sillysam
Oct 20, 2010 10:07 PM
And you might have forgotten Ubisoft, which is more insulting.
Apart from permenant internet connection, just look at HAWX2 and AC Brotherhood release dates for PC
Not happy
jdog
Oct 20, 2010 10:10 PM
we got screwed again....
lightrevealed
Oct 20, 2010 10:18 PM
I think maybe all the pirating that goes on in the pc community is having a large impact perhaps on us not getting as many titles?
How many of you or your mates have latest pirate software?
Why would companies want to give you their games for free?

Just a thought.

I support my pc gaming community and buy my games, if we all did then we just might rule the consoles once more!!!

Because I for one dont want to go back to consoles, I would rather lose my left nut!
BoganMonster
Oct 20, 2010 11:56 PM
I love shooters on PC, RTS on PC, and 3rd person games (Uncharted, Red Dead Redemption) on console.

FPS: Loving Bad Company 2, last game I loved was BF2, so 6 years between games means I can't forsee another FPS to draw me in, and consoles just can't match PC.

RTS: Loving Starcraft 2, last game I loved was Red Alert 2. Again, I don't see another RTS keeping me addicted, and consoles just can't match PC.

Sadly my last PC upgrade may well be my last PC upgrade ...
Darkmatter
Oct 21, 2010 12:42 AM
yeah i keep thinking to get a DX11 card but then i think, well for what?

my 4870x2 has served me well.
FireFlyphillips
Oct 21, 2010 1:55 AM
hmmmmm seems like the games companies really do want to influence the platform choices we have.
why not it makes them more money and they can stop handing us regurgatated (spelling is not my strong point) games for the pc.

imagine if u will

1 games for pc drop off (console players can have ea/dice for all i care)

2 pc users get all worried about their sudden lack of games and increase in spare time(lol)

3 pc users start to think o remember (insert any classic)
hey maybe we should start work on a mod(with all the time they now have)

4 a raft of new games are realeased on pc using older engines with new textures etc(nobody cares about licensing etc any more cause pc is dead games wise)

5 we get to enjoy a new golden age of the pc, fresh like opening the anti static bag on xmas morn.

6 ea realises they are missing out on some money and start the cycle again DAM YOU EA lol

so viva la revelution bring it on i need a new feeling

again!
Dazerath
Oct 21, 2010 2:36 AM
I love my Xbox, but I also love my overpriced PC and playing Crysis at full specs there's just something satisfying about it hehe :), But I guess there are alot of reasons for why there
Isn't as much in games for PC anymore.
Piracy has gotta be one of them, games, movies and music, artists, Developers artists losing money
They've worked so hard for... I'm not saying I've never played a cracked game or downloaded a movie or music
But I've been changing my ways and doing my part to support the industry!
I'm backing PC I hope everyone else will do their part
psyched
Oct 21, 2010 2:57 AM
Don't worry, there will be a market correction. There are simply too many players in the consumer level PC market, to allow PC's to be relegated to word processors etc. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already, but sooner or latter either Nvida or ATI will purchase a software label. Imagine the marketing that you could get with something like "Civ 5, designed for the HD6950 (or HD6900 series etc)", or some such thing. The likes of these two players, and the numerous large players in the market, just need to get together and get back into this untapped market. After paying 5.4 billion for ATI, AMD is not going to allow its market to shrink - they'll wake up and realize this at some point.

Think I'm wrong? Just take a look at the number of components that sit in your current system, how many of these are represented in the current consoles? CPU's, GPU's, HDD's, SSD's, memory, motherboards, sound cards - alot of big players who will start to loss out if we went over to consoles.

So don't worry, greed will keep the PC alive.
GhostFaceKilla
Oct 21, 2010 10:08 AM

The Golden Age of PC gaming is unfortunately over. The irony is that the race to appeal to the lowest common denominator means we ALL lose - whether you are a console gamer or a PC gamer.

Compare the original MOH:AA with the latest version for my argument. BF2 imho was perhaps the last great true FPS exclusive. I have no confidence at all that BF3 will deliver an experience in any way comparable, at least to PC gamers. I am very dissapointed with PC gaming at the moment. But this does not mean I will be migrating to console gaming (I actually own 2 PS3's but use them as BluRay players and as a media steaming device for which they are excellent).

Of course there is a hidden agenda.
Jeruselem
Oct 21, 2010 10:58 AM
Well, if things get bad we can all resort to C64 and NAME emulators on our computers.
codecreeper
Oct 21, 2010 1:08 PM
Although this trend is becoming more a problem for PC Users with all this DLC ,maybe this trend will make developers aware we want the FULL game on Purchase. Not a Incomplete version.

Solution is not to buy DLC and let it be known why.

PC's never die ,just get rebooted!!
Athlonite
Oct 21, 2010 3:17 PM
There is one BIG reason why the PC is getting left out by Game houses "COMPATIBILITY" my xbox360 (if i owned one) is the same as every other XBox360 around the world as is the PS3 but when it comes to the mighty PC well it's a whole new monster not only does tech support need to account for all the permutations of hardware, software (OS, Drivers) and language differences all this makes for an very expensive tech support dept something most game houses are wanting to get away from how many patches for games do you see for XB360 or PS3 vs PC I bet it's atleast a 1:3 ratio otherwise why else are most of todays games console 1st and 2nd and the poor PC is an lowly 4th with usually some crap port made worse by the use of shit console commands/controls
Athlonite
Oct 21, 2010 3:33 PM
anybody who blames piracy for the lack of PC games coming out is Fucktard and doesn't know what the hell they're talking about the fact is there's just as many pirate copies of console games out and about as there are PC games so that argument does hold water...
it's all about support vs cost to put it simply it costs more to support an PC game than an game written for Xbox xbox360 or PS3
markand_01
Oct 21, 2010 3:45 PM
My take is that basically its a consumers market and what better way to make people consume more than having multiple platforms and games exclusive to said platforms or platform plus episodic games by way of DLCs and Athonite would be right I would think it would cost more as far as surport and development on PC verse consoles.
steam and steam like setups are still helping to slow the migration though.
codecreeper
Oct 21, 2010 4:50 PM
That sounds reasonable all xbox's ,and PS3's have the same setup virtually. So designing games on these platforms would be easier ,where the PC is configured in many ways.


boltronics
Oct 21, 2010 9:10 PM
Ugh. I got ripped off when I brought the PC version of Ghostbusters... no multiplayer support (unlike the console versions). Also, the game seemed incapable of mapping my mouse buttons the way I wanted them. Huge oversight.

Having said that, when I go to play game consoles, I find I really have to try to tolerate the poor graphics quality. When you're used to playing 1920x1080, gaming at my LCD's non-native 1280x720 via a console really feels like a large step backwards. For some games, you just can't win.

Other PC games I have purchased (eg. Turning Point) copy the console version so much that you actually need to edit ini files to increase the resolution to 1920x1080 - they max out at 1280x720 too.

So what to do? Simple - buy PC exclusives - or at least games that are obviously primarily targeted at PC gamers (they're easy to identify - they'll come out on PC first). Indy games very frequently fall into this category. So do RTS games - they still haven't made StarCraft 2 for consoles last I checked.

The latest games I've purchased have actually been World of Goo, Runaway, Machinarium, and Plants Vs Zombies. Although some of these may have been ported to consoles or other devices, the PC version of each of them feels like the 1st-rate platform. I've also picked up many PC-exclusive FPS games, and some (eg. Killing Floor) kick ass so hard it will remind you why PC is king.

I'm sick of all the gamers who think you "have" to get the latest Modern Warfare or MoH. If I have to play another shooter, it had better have something that really makes it stand out. Lately these companies can't even figure out that we want to run our own dedicated servers, so I won't be buying those games. Console gamers may love these because they "finally" have some good FPS games and they've never been able to run their own dedicated servers anyway, but the rest of us should know better.

I don't feel forgotten about at all, because I've already forgotten about the games that have those issues. PC gamers have the best choice of games on the market. Just don't get suckered into playing whatever lame 720p DX9-era console game port the other lamos are playing, and you'll find you're very well looked after.

And yes, I really *did* boycott Modern Warfare 2.
codecreeper
Oct 21, 2010 10:15 PM
Did you mention a DLC Pack for CiV 5? Could not see that in your list.

Suxsuxsux
Oct 21, 2010 10:18 PM
I wish they would bring out a next generation console some time soon, I haven't even heard rumors of one.
Not because I'll ever buy a console, but because it is probably the best chance that a game better looking than 2007's Cysis might come out on PC.
Playing MOH at the moment and I can imagine it looking good on my 46" LCD tele but on my 24" PC flat screen it looks a bit ordinary.
This might just be my longest lived gaming rig,the Radion 4870 still runs every shooter I install at max settings.
markand_01
Oct 22, 2010 12:33 PM
That all said wouldnt suprise me at all to see the likes of AMD anf Nivida stert backing PC ported and PC exclusive games or either startup or buy into gaming studios (if they already havn't) PC and workstations are still a bigger market for them than consoles would thing most of their marketing and R&D is still in the PC pot. to.
jdog
Oct 22, 2010 1:41 PM
they are part of the PGA (pc gamers allience) you know...along with MS,and epic,capron(eh) etc...but they hhavnt seem to of done much...
hallmitchell
Oct 23, 2010 10:47 AM
Great article! The PC issue comes down to piracy. PC users have pirated games out of existence. I know i personally haven't done it. I know plenty of friends who mix it up a bit. It's just the reality.
hallmitchell
Oct 23, 2010 10:47 AM
Once game developers saw how heavily Crysis got pirated. It was game over!
hallmitchell
Oct 23, 2010 10:48 AM
Even though God of WAr 3 is Kick a$$. I can never go to console. I'll retire from gaming rather than go down that path.
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