The Sandy Bridge recall - reactions and updates

By David Hollingworth
10:29 Feb 2, 2011 | 24 Comments
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The Sandy Bridge recall - reactions and updates

We've been chatting to vendors, retailers and discovering just what it is that's broken in Intel's Sandy Bridge chipset. Essential reading follows...

To say that Intel's announcement of a recall and gradual replacement of Sandy Bridge motherboards caused a stir in enthusiast circles is a touch of an understatement. Our story yesterday drew a mess of commentary ranging from outright blasts at Intel to befuddlement as to how this could happen - and our forums were little different.

Regardless of the response, however, one thing remained constant - anyone who has already invested in the platform feels a little ripped off!

At the heart of the problem is Intel's decision to effectively shoe-horn last generation circuits into its new platform. Tech site Anandtech did a great job of explaining exactly what the issue is, so it's worth reading - however, the gist of the matter is thus:

"The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller."

The resulting failure rate is something like five to 15 per cent over a three year time period. No failures have been yet reported.

Locally, it's been difficult to get responses from vendors and manufacturers alike, a situation made even more complex by Chinese New Year, when many of the Taiwanese head honchos that local product managers report to. 

However, there is some news. GIGABYTE, for instance, has told us that it's requested that all retailers suspend sales of affected parts immediately, while anyone who has purchased a Sandy Bridge board should look to eventually RMA their purchase - for now, though, the official word is that users stick to SATA channels zero and one. It's been suggested that there may be a straight swap available, but that will of course rely on availability of new parts. It is, at least, good to see GIGABYTE being so straight up about this. We're waiting on responses from other manufacturers, but we expect them to be basically identical - what else can they do?

Distributors, so far, are keeping very quiet - no doubt they're caught in the middle by the need to maintain good relationships with Intel and mobo manufacturers alike. We have spoken to some retailers, and one anonymous store owner has told us he's planning to offer free SATA II PCI cards to affected customers until he here's anything from his importers and suppliers. Good will offers like that are unlikely to sway nervous customers from committing to a new purchase, however.

Interestingly, while you could expect AMD to be crowing over their rival's misfortune, the opposite seems to in fact be the case. At yesterday's Fusion APU launch in Sydney, AMD's Vice President for Worldwide Product Marketing Leslie Sobon suggested that it merely illustrated the complexity of modern computing designs. Regardless, it's hard to think someone at AMD isn't considering rushing its Bulldozer out as soon as possible.

She also suggested that AMD's move to spin-off its fabbing operations into separate, independent companies is something that will help stop AMD making similar mistakes. "It's in their best interest to deliver good parts," Sobon said, "in a purely business sense." With Intel's production entirely internal, it's hard to fault her wisdom.

Atomic's not immune, either - we and our sister title PC & Tech Authority have a pile of Sandy Bridge boards that it's now more or less useless to test. It looks like the Sandy Bridge architecture, which we talk up pretty heavily in issue 122 (on sale next week, FYI), is pretty much on hold for the time being.

NOTE: Apologies Nich... and any hardware enthusiast Gypsies.

 
 
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24 Comments
wraith676
Feb 2, 2011 12:05 PM
You used my link :D yay
codecreeper
Feb 2, 2011 12:19 PM
With this statement could this possibly end the Sandy Bridge Series? I see many buyers not wanting to purchase a faulty motherboard or in fact a upgraded one. Could there be other underlying issues with this motherboard that have not been found yet.

No wonder all Hollywood directors and presidents are bold.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Feb 2, 2011 12:28 PM
@codecreeper They know the issue and they're fixing it. It's not the end of Sandy Bridge. Why they'd scrap an entire platform with such an easily fixed issue is unfathomable.
Hawkeye
Feb 2, 2011 12:37 PM
Yeah, it's far from scrapped. It's a glitch (and important, serious one, yes), but nothing more than that.

It's certainly not a show-stopper in terms of the platform. However, in matters of customer confidence... as your reaction attests, it doesn't take much :)
Rage09
Feb 2, 2011 12:52 PM
What are the actual chances of this effecting your computer?
I read the 15% in 3 years to stop working but apart from that what else does it do?

If nothing else it seems to be a bit of a storm in a teacup.
alex8337
Feb 2, 2011 12:52 PM
This is why I wont buy 1st generation tech untill its been on the market for a while and the pre-hype smoke thins out. I wont research performance differences in new tech untill its been out for a while and I discard reviews that dont compare previous generations (not models, generations)
Sparky
Feb 2, 2011 1:04 PM
I'm still waiting for nvidia's CEO to say some awesome 'whoop-ass' stuff over this.

See my take on it is this. VIA stuffed up it's AMD chipsets and so nVidia took over. AMD were happy the whole time because they kept selling cpu's.

But now after locking all the other parties out of the chipset business and stuffing it up, intel have a perfectly good cpu that they cant sell because no one (including intel) make a workable chipset for it.

I really feel for those who purchased a sandy vag (well it is - now) since there wont be a reasonable solution to this till z68 comes out in april. so your nice expensive cpu will sit on your desk til then. While you use outdated hardware.

(yes, you could just continue using the platform till then.)

unfortunately i don't think the second hand market for these boards is going to be good. Since no one will want a p65 board (is it fixed, is it not.... bah I'll just get a z68).
Hawkeye
Feb 2, 2011 1:06 PM
Rage09, it'll basically lead to poor HDD performance, and the possibility of any drive connected to those ports to appear to fail - when in fact it's just the board itself failing.
jdog
Feb 2, 2011 1:23 PM
as much as getting the latest and greatest is all good and wellsometimes staying one generation behind or upgrading to something that has been out for a while (like x58) is a good idea..

still not good i hope this is fixed soon...
philo-sofa
Feb 2, 2011 1:49 PM
I wonder if we'll see a fixed P67 released as 'P68' or similar - consumers may remain a bit apprehensive about the P67 name.
Meowkitty
Feb 2, 2011 2:00 PM
ok, we are told 5 to 15% failure rate in 3 years, what's the normal fault tolerance on this part of the boeard? and how far above this tollerance is it?
is the board really "now more or less useless to test"?
what's the failure rate in 1 month?

If you're not going to use them can I pop down and grab a H67 board?
Hawkeye
Feb 2, 2011 2:12 PM
It's useless to test because, as a product, they're being recalled. Why test something that, in theory, should no longer be available, and is known to be problematic? I'm not sure that serves anyone.

As to standard fault tolerance, my understanding is that even a one per cent measurement over three years would be unacceptable. So five to 15 is way over the limit. And remember, those numbers are based on usage, so I daresay most Atomicans would probably fall closer to the 15 per cent end of the scale.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Feb 2, 2011 3:12 PM
The new motherboards will probably be the exact same, except labelled 'Rev 2.0'.
Hawkeye
Feb 2, 2011 3:51 PM
Almost certainly.
smakme7757
Feb 2, 2011 8:58 PM
I'm extremely happy with my purchase. I'll be emailing my store ASAP to see if they will offer a direct swap over as stated in Gigabytes blog (1xssd and 4xhdd i want my ports!).

But apart from this the power of my 2600K is just phenominal and i don't regret the purchase at all.
HeavyLancer
Feb 2, 2011 9:02 PM
I am quite annoyed at this - my Sandy Bridge laptop order has effectively been cancelled by the manufacturer's recall. This has given me a rather dim view of Intel now - almost enough to consider going back to AMD.
Slymonk
Feb 3, 2011 5:35 AM
I'm curious how AMD's system of seperate independent factories equates to a more fail safe system. Any individual factory is still just as likely to produce a dud part. With multiple management teams, workers and production lines surely you'd be increasing the chance something goes wrong?
HeavyLancer
Feb 3, 2011 9:46 AM
It wouldn't have mattered in this case because the fault was a design one, not a production one.
Krispy89
Feb 3, 2011 1:27 PM
I'm so glad that I went with AMD for my latest build :P
AnthraxPants
Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM
Lucky I got no money to buy one anyway :P
asusgamer55
Feb 5, 2011 10:49 AM
AMD is the go. intel is crap to exspensive and over rated.. why waste all that extra cash for a few extra benchmark scores..
Director
Feb 17, 2011 9:16 AM
I'm waiting on a P67 mobo right now actually. I was planning to only use the sata3 ports anyway but if Gigabyte has suspended sales then THAT would be a bigger problem. My clients won't wait till April.
Squidy
Feb 21, 2011 12:18 PM
"However, there is some news. GIGABYTE, for instance, has told us that it's requested that all retailers suspend sales of affected parts immediately"

Well, it seems not many retailers are taking note. I bought one a few days ago and was told it was unaffected etc. Now I find out this is a complete lie.
Hawkeye
Feb 21, 2011 2:23 PM
Really? Fire me an email, Squiddy - that sounds both dodgy and worth following up.
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